Life is full of ups and downs. Everyone learns and changes on this journey. At the global level, similarly, nations are changing in various areas; some are up while others are down. Today, Dr. Esther Shu Shin Lee starts with her own life experiences and then applies them to international affairs including the upcoming October US/China trade talk. Hopefully, both sides will be sensitive and cognizant of the growing and changing of each other. This episode can also be found on YouTube by searching "Positive Living in America" or "Esther's Chat."