In this episode, Colin talks to Anthony Franco, founder of consumer brand McSquares and fellow Denverite. Anthony is a good guy, thoughtful, hard working, intelligent, and in a completely different bubble than Colin is. Colin and Anthony dive into what went wrong for Democrats to get so thoroughly blown out, what policies resonated with Anthony as a Trump voter, and how they could possibly see the world so differently despite their similarities.

For people looking for a polite, thoughtful conversation between two people on opposite sides of the aisle seeking understanding and empathy, I hope you enjoy. For those still reeling emotionally from Tuesday, perhaps it's too soon to listen to this – I do have my criticisms of Harris and the Democrats, which may not feel good to hear right now.

Apologies for the background noise; we filmed this the day after the election, so Colin was of course at a bar.