John Carvalho the CCO of Bitrefill joins CK and David to discuss his experiences building on Lightning. John dispels common misconceptions about Lightning and discusses where he thinks the technology can go. The interview turned spicy at the end when John confronted David about the issues he sees in DeFi and MakerDAO in general. We cover the following topics. How Bitrefill is offering Bitcoin Lightning Services The current state of the Lightning Network Addressing concerns about the Lightning Network John's bullish case for the Lightning Network John's concerns over applications that depend on oracles Debating the merits of MakerDAO. Sponsors eToro - Sign up for the best trading in Crypto Celsius - Use promo code POV to get $10 in Bitcoin with a $200 deposit Please rate and share the podcast! You can find us‚@POVCryptopod‚on Twitter.‚ David Hoffman on Twitter and Medium‚@TrustlessState Christian Keroles on Twitter‚@ck_SNARKs Send Bitcoin: 3P1kkSBdsc2vPWXin3h6bdVeTS4BzXdNG1 Send Ether: POVCrypto.eth