Graham Crabb and Mary Byker of the long-running Pop Will Eat Itself jump into the car before headlining the first night of Cold Waves VIII at Metro. Discussed on this episode:

• Everyone knows and has played with everyone else. Mary, in particular, is in Pigface and first became well-known for Gaye Bykers on Acid.
• The all-inclusive, un-pigeonholeable, sound of PWEI.
• The anniversary of PWEI's "This is the Day... " album. Mary: "I just realized what a really great record it was... it's a genuinely overlooked, great record."
• PWEI in the early 90s, and dealing with major labels.
• Graham is the only "through line" in the PWEI story.
• The ongoing role of technology in PWEI's music.
• The importance of talking about suicide.

Car Con Carne is presented by the Autobarn Mazda of Evanston