Mike and Jay open with a discussion of the first (and possibly only) debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. Jay agrees with the conventional wisdom about the debate hurting Trump, and Mike agrees that it’s not likely to make a huge difference. But as Jay points out, in a race almost certain to be as close as this one is, a few thousand votes in the right places could mean a lot. Mike argues that Donald Trump’s untrue comment about Haitian migrants eating family pets is a disgusting dehumanization of migrants. Jay isn’t that worked up about it, and argues that Springfield, Ohio has had understandable difficulty handling the number of migrants it’s seen in the last few years.

Next, they move to endorsements of Harris by Dick & Liz Cheney, a number of prominent Republicans who say they can’t support Trump, and ‘childless cat lady’ Taylor Swift’s endorsement of Harris. Mike believes that all these Republicans either endorsing the opposition or refusing to support their party’s nominee is unprecedented. Jay reiterates that he’s likely to follow the lead of Romney and Pence, who aren’t voting for Harris but won’t vote for Trump either.

They close with a look at the state of the presidential race. Mike is a lot less confident in Harris’ chances than either Ken or Trey (both of whom last week felt that Harris will win). Mike believes that Trump will once again outperform his polling and figures his chances at winning to be around 60%. Jay largely agrees, wondering if Harris has peaked.

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