It’s New York Fashion Week, and who better to speak with than fashion icon and entrepreneur Jenna Lyons?
 
Maria and Jenna discuss everything from her meteoric rise at J. Crew, from assistant designer to president and executive creative director to her advice on developing personal style, why she decided to walk away from the Housewives, to complete career reinvention. 
 
0:00 – Intro: Stepping Into Your Power with Jenna Lyons
2:15 – The Early Grind: Starting Out as an Assistant at 21
7:30 – Learning the Business Side: Moving from Design to Executive Decision-Making
13:10 – The J.Crew Golden Era: Shaping a Cultural Force and American Style
19:45 – Mastering Creative Control: Protecting Your Vision in Corporate Boardrooms
26:00 – The Cost of Perfectionism: Overcoming Burnout and High-Stakes Pressure
33:20 – The Breaking Point: Stepping Down and Navigating a Public Identity Crisis
41:10 – Rebuilding from Scratch: Finding Your Voice Outside the Corporate Machine
47:50 – Style as a Language: Why Authenticity Outlasts Every Trend
54:30 – Stepping Back into the Spotlight: Navigating Reality TV and Modern Media
1:01:15 – Redefining Ambition and Setting Boundaries on Your Own Terms
1:08:00 – Closing Advice: The One Thing Every Ambitious Leader Needs to Hear
 
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About Pretty Tough
Pretty Tough is the weekly interview podcast hosted by five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova. Each week, Maria sits down with founders, CEOs, athletes, creatives, investors, and other high achievers for candid conversations about leadership, ambition, decision-making, performance, entrepreneurship, wellness, and building exceptional careers.Drawing from her own experience at the highest levels of sport and business, Maria explores what it really takes to succeed—from navigating failure and reinvention to scaling companies, leading teams, and pursuing excellence over the long term. 
About Maria Sharapova
Maria Sharapova is a five-time Grand Slam champion, former World No. 1 tennis player, entrepreneur, investor, bestselling author, and one of the most recognizable athletes of her generation. Since retiring from professional tennis, she has built businesses, invested in consumer, technology, and lifestyle companies, and become a respected voice on leadership, performance, and entrepreneurship. 
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It’s New York Fashion Week, and who better to speak with than fashion icon and entrepreneur Jenna Lyons? Maria and Jenna discuss everything from her meteoric rise at J. Crew, from assistant designer to president and executive creative director to her advice on developing personal style, why she decided to walk away from the Housewives, to complete career reinvention. 0:00 – Intro: Stepping Into Your Power with Jenna Lyons 2:15 – The Early Grind: Starting Out as an Assistant at 21 7:30 – Learning the Business Side: Moving from Design to Executive Decision-Making 13:10 – The J.Crew Golden Era: Shaping a Cultural Force and American Style 19:45 – Mastering Creative Control: Protecting Your Vision in Corporate Boardrooms 26:00 – The Cost of Perfectionism: Overcoming Burnout and High-Stakes Pressure 33:20 – The Breaking Point: Stepping Down and Navigating a Public Identity Crisis 41:10 – Rebuilding from Scratch: Finding Your Voice Outside the Corporate Machine 47:50 – Style as a Language: Why Authenticity Outlasts Every Trend 54:30 – Stepping Back into the Spotlight: Navigating Reality TV and Modern Media 1:01:15 – Redefining Ambition and Setting Boundaries on Your Own Terms 1:08:00 – Closing Advice: The One Thing Every Ambitious Leader Needs to Hear SUBSCRIBE►Subscribe to Pretty Tough: https://www.youtube.com/@mariasharapova?sub_confirmation=1 LISTEN:►Listen to every episode on your favorite podcast platform⁠: https://pod.link/1893437254CHAPTERS[INSERT FOLLOW THE SHOW►Maria on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/►Maria on X: https://x.com/MariaSharapova►Pretty Tough on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prettytough/?hl=en About Pretty Tough Pretty Tough is the weekly interview podcast hosted by five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova. Each week, Maria sits down with founders, CEOs, athletes, creatives, investors, and other high achievers for candid conversations about leadership, ambition, decision-making, performance, entrepreneurship, wellness, and building exceptional careers.Drawing from her own experience at the highest levels of sport and business, Maria explores what it really takes to succeed—from navigating failure and reinvention to scaling companies, leading teams, and pursuing excellence over the long term. About Maria Sharapova Maria Sharapova is a five-time Grand Slam champion, former World No. 1 tennis player, entrepreneur, investor, bestselling author, and one of the most recognizable athletes of her generation. Since retiring from professional tennis, she has built businesses, invested in consumer, technology, and lifestyle companies, and become a respected voice on leadership, performance, and entrepreneurship. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It’s New York Fashion Week, and who better to speak with than fashion icon and entrepreneur Jenna Lyons?
 
Maria and Jenna discuss everything from her meteoric rise at J. Crew, from assistant designer to president and executive creative director to her advice on developing personal style, why she decided to walk away from the Housewives, to complete career reinvention. 
 
0:00 – Intro: Stepping Into Your Power with Jenna Lyons
2:15 – The Early Grind: Starting Out as an Assistant at 21
7:30 – Learning the Business Side: Moving from Design to Executive Decision-Making
13:10 – The J.Crew Golden Era: Shaping a Cultural Force and American Style
19:45 – Mastering Creative Control: Protecting Your Vision in Corporate Boardrooms
26:00 – The Cost of Perfectionism: Overcoming Burnout and High-Stakes Pressure
33:20 – The Breaking Point: Stepping Down and Navigating a Public Identity Crisis
41:10 – Rebuilding from Scratch: Finding Your Voice Outside the Corporate Machine
47:50 – Style as a Language: Why Authenticity Outlasts Every Trend
54:30 – Stepping Back into the Spotlight: Navigating Reality TV and Modern Media
1:01:15 – Redefining Ambition and Setting Boundaries on Your Own Terms
1:08:00 – Closing Advice: The One Thing Every Ambitious Leader Needs to Hear
 
SUBSCRIBE►Subscribe to Pretty Tough: https://www.youtube.com/@mariasharapova?sub_confirmation=1
 
LISTEN:►Listen to every episode on your favorite podcast platform⁠:&nbsp; <a href="https://pod.link/1893437254" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://pod.link/1893437254</a>CHAPTERS[INSERT 
FOLLOW THE SHOW►Maria on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/</a>►Maria on X: https://x.com/MariaSharapova►Pretty Tough on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prettytough/?hl=en 
About Pretty Tough
Pretty Tough is the weekly interview podcast hosted by five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova. Each week, Maria sits down with founders, CEOs, athletes, creatives, investors, and other high achievers for candid conversations about leadership, ambition, decision-making, performance, entrepreneurship, wellness, and building exceptional careers.Drawing from her own experience at the highest levels of sport and business, Maria explores what it really takes to succeed—from navigating failure and reinvention to scaling companies, leading teams, and pursuing excellence over the long term. 
About Maria Sharapova
Maria Sharapova is a five-time Grand Slam champion, former World No. 1 tennis player, entrepreneur, investor, bestselling author, and one of the most recognizable athletes of her generation. Since retiring from professional tennis, she has built businesses, invested in consumer, technology, and lifestyle companies, and become a respected voice on leadership, performance, and entrepreneurship.&nbsp;
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Jenna Lyons on Leaving J.Crew and The Real Housewives to Reinvent Herself

Acclaimed actress, director, and producer Emmy Rossum joins Maria Sharapova for a candid conversation on building a 30-year career on her own terms.
 
From getting her start in the Metropolitan Opera Children's Chorus to holding her own alongside legends like Sean Penn at age 16, to spending nine transformative years on the hit show Shameless where she famously advocated for equal pay, Emmy has continually pushed the boundaries of her craft. Now, she is taking on more creative control as an executive producer and star of the hit thriller Furious on Hulu.
 
SUBSCRIBE►Subscribe to Pretty Tough: https://www.youtube.com/@mariasharapova?sub_confirmation=1
LISTEN:►Listen to every episode on your favorite podcast platform⁠:  <a href="https://pod.link/1893437254">https://pod.link/1893437254</a>
 
CHAPTERS
0:00 – Intro: The Athlete's Mindset in Acting
2:15 – Growing Up on Shameless: Navigating Nine Years and Developing a Front-Row Seat to Production
8:00 – The Ballsy Move: Fighting for Equal Pay and Overcoming the Stigma Around Asking for Your Worth
12:20 – Behind the Scenes of Furious: Finding Dark Catharsis and Developing a Character with Grit
16:30 – Wearing Two Hats: How Emmy Balances Executive Producing and Acting on Set
19:20 – Sticking to Your Lane? Why Emmy Ignored the Doubters and Launched Her Production Company
21:40 – Quantico Boot Camp: Physical Training, Weapons Handling, and Learning How to Be an FBI Agent
24:45 – The Arsenal of Coaches: Why Dialect, Movement, and Breath Work Matter to the Craft
28:00 – Working with Clint Eastwood on Mystic River and Discovering a Process
31:00 – Auditioning for Phantom of the Opera at 16 in Andrew Lloyd Webber’s Living Room
36:30 – Singing with Dolly Parton and Learning Humility from Legends
39:35 – Managing Fame as a Currency and Keeping Life Grounded
41:15 – Creative Collaboration: Working Alongside Her Husband, Director Sam Esmail
46:35 – Pretty Tough Rapid-Fire: Unlearning Perfectionism, People-Pleasing, and Finding Fluidity FOLLOW THE SHOW►Maria on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/">https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/</a>►Maria on X: https://x.com/MariaSharapova►Pretty Tough on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prettytough/?hl=en 
About Pretty Tough
Pretty Tough is the weekly interview podcast hosted by five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova. Each week, Maria sits down with founders, CEOs, athletes, creatives, investors, and other high achievers for candid conversations about leadership, ambition, decision-making, performance, entrepreneurship, wellness, and building exceptional careers.Drawing from her own experience at the highest levels of sport and business, Maria explores what it really takes to succeed—from navigating failure and reinvention to scaling companies, leading teams, and pursuing excellence over the long term. 
About Maria Sharapova
Maria Sharapova is a five-time Grand Slam champion, former World No. 1 tennis player, entrepreneur, investor, bestselling author, and one of the most recognizable athletes of her generation. Since retiring from professional tennis, she has built businesses, invested in consumer, technology, and lifestyle companies, and become a respected voice on leadership, performance, and entrepreneurship. 
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Acclaimed actress, director, and producer Emmy Rossum joins Maria Sharapova for a candid conversation on building a 30-year career on her own terms. From getting her start in the Metropolitan Opera Children's Chorus to holding her own alongside legends like Sean Penn at age 16, to spending nine transformative years on the hit show Shameless where she famously advocated for equal pay, Emmy has continually pushed the boundaries of her craft. Now, she is taking on more creative control as an executive producer and star of the hit thriller Furious on Hulu. SUBSCRIBE►Subscribe to Pretty Tough: https://www.youtube.com/@mariasharapova?sub_confirmation=1 LISTEN:►Listen to every episode on your favorite podcast platform⁠: https://pod.link/1893437254 CHAPTERS 0:00 – Intro: The Athlete's Mindset in Acting 2:15 – Growing Up on Shameless: Navigating Nine Years and Developing a Front-Row Seat to Production 8:00 – The Ballsy Move: Fighting for Equal Pay and Overcoming the Stigma Around Asking for Your Worth 12:20 – Behind the Scenes of Furious: Finding Dark Catharsis and Developing a Character with Grit 16:30 – Wearing Two Hats: How Emmy Balances Executive Producing and Acting on Set 19:20 – Sticking to Your Lane? Why Emmy Ignored the Doubters and Launched Her Production Company 21:40 – Quantico Boot Camp: Physical Training, Weapons Handling, and Learning How to Be an FBI Agent 24:45 – The Arsenal of Coaches: Why Dialect, Movement, and Breath Work Matter to the Craft 28:00 – Working with Clint Eastwood on Mystic River and Discovering a Process 31:00 – Auditioning for Phantom of the Opera at 16 in Andrew Lloyd Webber’s Living Room 36:30 – Singing with Dolly Parton and Learning Humility from Legends 39:35 – Managing Fame as a Currency and Keeping Life Grounded 41:15 – Creative Collaboration: Working Alongside Her Husband, Director Sam Esmail 46:35 – Pretty Tough Rapid-Fire: Unlearning Perfectionism, People-Pleasing, and Finding Fluidity FOLLOW THE SHOW►Maria on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/►Maria on X: https://x.com/MariaSharapova►Pretty Tough on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prettytough/?hl=en About Pretty Tough Pretty Tough is the weekly interview podcast hosted by five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova. Each week, Maria sits down with founders, CEOs, athletes, creatives, investors, and other high achievers for candid conversations about leadership, ambition, decision-making, performance, entrepreneurship, wellness, and building exceptional careers.Drawing from her own experience at the highest levels of sport and business, Maria explores what it really takes to succeed—from navigating failure and reinvention to scaling companies, leading teams, and pursuing excellence over the long term. About Maria Sharapova Maria Sharapova is a five-time Grand Slam champion, former World No. 1 tennis player, entrepreneur, investor, bestselling author, and one of the most recognizable athletes of her generation. Since retiring from professional tennis, she has built businesses, invested in consumer, technology, and lifestyle companies, and become a respected voice on leadership, performance, and entrepreneurship. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Acclaimed actress, director, and producer Emmy Rossum joins Maria Sharapova for a candid conversation on building a 30-year career on her own terms.
 
From getting her start in the Metropolitan Opera Children's Chorus to holding her own alongside legends like Sean Penn at age 16, to spending nine transformative years on the hit show Shameless where she famously advocated for equal pay, Emmy has continually pushed the boundaries of her craft. Now, she is taking on more creative control as an executive producer and star of the hit thriller Furious on Hulu.
 
SUBSCRIBE►Subscribe to Pretty Tough: https://www.youtube.com/@mariasharapova?sub_confirmation=1
LISTEN:►Listen to every episode on your favorite podcast platform⁠:&nbsp; <a href="https://pod.link/1893437254" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://pod.link/1893437254</a>
 
CHAPTERS
0:00 – Intro: The Athlete's Mindset in Acting
2:15 – Growing Up on Shameless: Navigating Nine Years and Developing a Front-Row Seat to Production
8:00 – The Ballsy Move: Fighting for Equal Pay and Overcoming the Stigma Around Asking for Your Worth
12:20 – Behind the Scenes of Furious: Finding Dark Catharsis and Developing a Character with Grit
16:30 – Wearing Two Hats: How Emmy Balances Executive Producing and Acting on Set
19:20 – Sticking to Your Lane? Why Emmy Ignored the Doubters and Launched Her Production Company
21:40 – Quantico Boot Camp: Physical Training, Weapons Handling, and Learning How to Be an FBI Agent
24:45 – The Arsenal of Coaches: Why Dialect, Movement, and Breath Work Matter to the Craft
28:00 – Working with Clint Eastwood on Mystic River and Discovering a Process
31:00 – Auditioning for Phantom of the Opera at 16 in Andrew Lloyd Webber’s Living Room
36:30 – Singing with Dolly Parton and Learning Humility from Legends
39:35 – Managing Fame as a Currency and Keeping Life Grounded
41:15 – Creative Collaboration: Working Alongside Her Husband, Director Sam Esmail
46:35 – Pretty Tough Rapid-Fire: Unlearning Perfectionism, People-Pleasing, and Finding Fluidity FOLLOW THE SHOW►Maria on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/</a>►Maria on X: https://x.com/MariaSharapova►Pretty Tough on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prettytough/?hl=en 
About Pretty Tough
Pretty Tough is the weekly interview podcast hosted by five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova. Each week, Maria sits down with founders, CEOs, athletes, creatives, investors, and other high achievers for candid conversations about leadership, ambition, decision-making, performance, entrepreneurship, wellness, and building exceptional careers.Drawing from her own experience at the highest levels of sport and business, Maria explores what it really takes to succeed—from navigating failure and reinvention to scaling companies, leading teams, and pursuing excellence over the long term. 
About Maria Sharapova
Maria Sharapova is a five-time Grand Slam champion, former World No. 1 tennis player, entrepreneur, investor, bestselling author, and one of the most recognizable athletes of her generation. Since retiring from professional tennis, she has built businesses, invested in consumer, technology, and lifestyle companies, and become a respected voice on leadership, performance, and entrepreneurship. 
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Emmy Rossum on making Furious and Surviving an FBI Boot Camp

Comedian and best-selling author Chelsea Handler has built a career on saying exactly what she thinks, regardless of the consequences. From stand-up comedy and bestselling books to hit television shows, she’s never played by anyone else’s rules.
 
Maria and Chelsea first connected at the 2012 Olympics and have been friends ever since. 
 
Maria explores what drives Chelsea’s independence across every chapter of her life and how she continues to evolve through therapy, travel, and psychedelics. They discuss reinvention, freedom, and what it really means to live life on your own terms. Maria also asks the question she’s been curious about for years: after all the success, what keeps Chelsea pushing forward?
 
The result is a conversation that is funny, honest, and unexpectedly thoughtful, everything you’d expect when Chelsea Handler is in the room.
 
All that and more on this episode of Pretty Tough.
 
Pretty Tough is produced in partnership with VOX MEDIA.
 
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Comedian and best-selling author Chelsea Handler has built a career on saying exactly what she thinks, regardless of the consequences. From stand-up comedy and bestselling books to hit television shows, she’s never played by anyone else’s rules. Maria and Chelsea first connected at the 2012 Olympics and have been friends ever since. Maria explores what drives Chelsea’s independence across every chapter of her life and how she continues to evolve through therapy, travel, and psychedelics. They discuss reinvention, freedom, and what it really means to live life on your own terms. Maria also asks the question she’s been curious about for years: after all the success, what keeps Chelsea pushing forward? The result is a conversation that is funny, honest, and unexpectedly thoughtful, everything you’d expect when Chelsea Handler is in the room. All that and more on this episode of Pretty Tough. Pretty Tough is produced in partnership with VOX MEDIA. Listen to every episode on your favorite podcast platform Follow Maria on Instagram Follow Maria on X Follow Pretty Tough on Instagram Subscribe to Pretty Tough on Substack Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Comedian and best-selling author Chelsea Handler has built a career on saying exactly what she thinks, regardless of the consequences. From stand-up comedy and bestselling books to hit television shows, she’s never played by anyone else’s rules.
 
Maria and Chelsea first connected at the 2012 Olympics and have been friends ever since.&nbsp;
 
Maria explores what drives Chelsea’s independence across every chapter of her life and how she continues to evolve through therapy, travel, and psychedelics. They discuss reinvention, freedom, and what it really means to live life on your own terms. Maria also asks the question she’s been curious about for years: after all the success, what keeps Chelsea pushing forward?
 
The result is a conversation that is funny, honest, and unexpectedly thoughtful, everything you’d expect when Chelsea Handler is in the room.
 
All that and more on this episode of Pretty Tough.
 
Pretty Tough is produced in partnership with VOX MEDIA.
 
<a href="https://pod.link/1893437254" rel="noopener noreferrer">Listen to every episode on your favorite podcast platform</a>
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Chelsea Handler: Unfiltered, Independent, and Always Evolving

Comedian and Giggly Squad host Hannah Berner joins Maria Sharapova for a special live episode of Pretty Tough in New York City! Hannah opens up about her lifelong obsession with tennis, playing on the junior circuit, and why her ultimate childhood dream was to win Wimbledon before pivoting to stand-up comedy.
 
Hannah and Maria dive into the pressure of competitive sports, meeting her heroes, surviving reality TV on Summer House, and treating comedy touring like an elite athlete. Plus, Hannah shares the truth behind "Smile Gate," unlearning self-criticism, and where she gets her confidence from.
 
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LISTEN:►Listen to every episode on your favorite podcast platform⁠:  <a href="https://pod.link/1893437254">https://pod.link/1893437254</a>
 
CHAPTERS
00:00 – Introduction & Live Show Opening
00:20 – Welcoming Hannah Berner: From Junior Tennis Circuit to Comedy
02:15 – Childhood Dreams: Wanting to Win Wimbledon
03:50 – US Open Predictions & Fan Favorites
04:45 – The Crazy Story of Chelsea Handler in the Player's Box
08:30 – Playing Like the Boys & High School Tennis Memories
11:00 – The Mental Toll of Losing and Pressure in Pro Tennis
15:00 – Pivoting Away from Tennis & Overcoming Setbacks
20:00 – Finding Stand-Up Comedy & Re-Parenting Yourself
23:15 – Reality TV, Summer House, and Handling Public Narratives
26:15 – Where Confidence Comes From: Tennis vs. Comedy
30:00 – Hitting with Kim Clijsters & Racket String Tensions
34:00 – The "Smile Gate" TMJ Botox Story
38:50 – Marriage to a Fellow Comedian & Working with Amy Poehler
42:00 – Treating Comedy Touring Like an Athletic Event
44:45 – The Rapid-Fire Game: Tennis vs. Comedy
53:50 – Closing Segment: Unlearning, Perfection, and What Makes You Tough
 FOLLOW THE SHOW►Maria on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/">https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/</a>►Maria on X: https://x.com/MariaSharapova►Pretty Tough on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prettytough/?hl=en 
About Pretty Tough
Pretty Tough is the weekly interview podcast hosted by five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova. Each week, Maria sits down with founders, CEOs, athletes, creatives, investors, and other high achievers for candid conversations about leadership, ambition, decision-making, performance, entrepreneurship, wellness, and building exceptional careers.Drawing from her own experience at the highest levels of sport and business, Maria explores what it really takes to succeed—from navigating failure and reinvention to scaling companies, leading teams, and pursuing excellence over the long term. 
About Maria Sharapova
Maria Sharapova is a five-time Grand Slam champion, former World No. 1 tennis player, entrepreneur, investor, bestselling author, and one of the most recognizable athletes of her generation. Since retiring from professional tennis, she has built businesses, invested in consumer, technology, and lifestyle companies, and become a respected voice on leadership, performance, and entrepreneurship. 
 
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Comedian and Giggly Squad host Hannah Berner joins Maria Sharapova for a special live episode of Pretty Tough in New York City! Hannah opens up about her lifelong obsession with tennis, playing on the junior circuit, and why her ultimate childhood dream was to win Wimbledon before pivoting to stand-up comedy. Hannah and Maria dive into the pressure of competitive sports, meeting her heroes, surviving reality TV on Summer House, and treating comedy touring like an elite athlete. Plus, Hannah shares the truth behind "Smile Gate," unlearning self-criticism, and where she gets her confidence from. SUBSCRIBE►Subscribe to Pretty Tough: https://www.youtube.com/@mariasharapova?sub_confirmation=1 LISTEN:►Listen to every episode on your favorite podcast platform⁠: https://pod.link/1893437254 CHAPTERS 00:00 – Introduction & Live Show Opening 00:20 – Welcoming Hannah Berner: From Junior Tennis Circuit to Comedy 02:15 – Childhood Dreams: Wanting to Win Wimbledon 03:50 – US Open Predictions & Fan Favorites 04:45 – The Crazy Story of Chelsea Handler in the Player's Box 08:30 – Playing Like the Boys & High School Tennis Memories 11:00 – The Mental Toll of Losing and Pressure in Pro Tennis 15:00 – Pivoting Away from Tennis & Overcoming Setbacks 20:00 – Finding Stand-Up Comedy & Re-Parenting Yourself 23:15 – Reality TV, Summer House, and Handling Public Narratives 26:15 – Where Confidence Comes From: Tennis vs. Comedy 30:00 – Hitting with Kim Clijsters & Racket String Tensions 34:00 – The "Smile Gate" TMJ Botox Story 38:50 – Marriage to a Fellow Comedian & Working with Amy Poehler 42:00 – Treating Comedy Touring Like an Athletic Event 44:45 – The Rapid-Fire Game: Tennis vs. Comedy 53:50 – Closing Segment: Unlearning, Perfection, and What Makes You Tough FOLLOW THE SHOW►Maria on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/►Maria on X: https://x.com/MariaSharapova►Pretty Tough on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prettytough/?hl=en About Pretty Tough Pretty Tough is the weekly interview podcast hosted by five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova. Each week, Maria sits down with founders, CEOs, athletes, creatives, investors, and other high achievers for candid conversations about leadership, ambition, decision-making, performance, entrepreneurship, wellness, and building exceptional careers.Drawing from her own experience at the highest levels of sport and business, Maria explores what it really takes to succeed—from navigating failure and reinvention to scaling companies, leading teams, and pursuing excellence over the long term. About Maria Sharapova Maria Sharapova is a five-time Grand Slam champion, former World No. 1 tennis player, entrepreneur, investor, bestselling author, and one of the most recognizable athletes of her generation. Since retiring from professional tennis, she has built businesses, invested in consumer, technology, and lifestyle companies, and become a respected voice on leadership, performance, and entrepreneurship. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Comedian and Giggly Squad host Hannah Berner joins Maria Sharapova for a special live episode of Pretty Tough in New York City! Hannah opens up about her lifelong obsession with tennis, playing on the junior circuit, and why her ultimate childhood dream was to win Wimbledon before pivoting to stand-up comedy.
 
Hannah and Maria dive into the pressure of competitive sports, meeting her heroes, surviving reality TV on Summer House, and treating comedy touring like an elite athlete. Plus, Hannah shares the truth behind "Smile Gate," unlearning self-criticism, and where she gets her confidence from.
 
SUBSCRIBE►Subscribe to Pretty Tough: https://www.youtube.com/@mariasharapova?sub_confirmation=1
 
LISTEN:►Listen to every episode on your favorite podcast platform⁠:&nbsp; <a href="https://pod.link/1893437254" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://pod.link/1893437254</a>
 
CHAPTERS
00:00 – Introduction &amp; Live Show Opening
00:20 – Welcoming Hannah Berner: From Junior Tennis Circuit to Comedy
02:15 – Childhood Dreams: Wanting to Win Wimbledon
03:50 – US Open Predictions &amp; Fan Favorites
04:45 – The Crazy Story of Chelsea Handler in the Player's Box
08:30 – Playing Like the Boys &amp; High School Tennis Memories
11:00 – The Mental Toll of Losing and Pressure in Pro Tennis
15:00 – Pivoting Away from Tennis &amp; Overcoming Setbacks
20:00 – Finding Stand-Up Comedy &amp; Re-Parenting Yourself
23:15 – Reality TV, Summer House, and Handling Public Narratives
26:15 – Where Confidence Comes From: Tennis vs. Comedy
30:00 – Hitting with Kim Clijsters &amp; Racket String Tensions
34:00 – The "Smile Gate" TMJ Botox Story
38:50 – Marriage to a Fellow Comedian &amp; Working with Amy Poehler
42:00 – Treating Comedy Touring Like an Athletic Event
44:45 – The Rapid-Fire Game: Tennis vs. Comedy
53:50 – Closing Segment: Unlearning, Perfection, and What Makes You Tough
 FOLLOW THE SHOW►Maria on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/</a>►Maria on X: https://x.com/MariaSharapova►Pretty Tough on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prettytough/?hl=en 
About Pretty Tough
Pretty Tough is the weekly interview podcast hosted by five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova. Each week, Maria sits down with founders, CEOs, athletes, creatives, investors, and other high achievers for candid conversations about leadership, ambition, decision-making, performance, entrepreneurship, wellness, and building exceptional careers.Drawing from her own experience at the highest levels of sport and business, Maria explores what it really takes to succeed—from navigating failure and reinvention to scaling companies, leading teams, and pursuing excellence over the long term. 
About Maria Sharapova
Maria Sharapova is a five-time Grand Slam champion, former World No. 1 tennis player, entrepreneur, investor, bestselling author, and one of the most recognizable athletes of her generation. Since retiring from professional tennis, she has built businesses, invested in consumer, technology, and lifestyle companies, and become a respected voice on leadership, performance, and entrepreneurship. 
 
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Hannah Berner: Leaving Reality TV, Starting Giggly Squad & Finding Her Confidence

Supermodel icon Carolyn Murphy sits down with Maria Sharapova to reflect on three decades in fashion, shooting 73 Vogue covers (and counting), and the pivotal moment she walked away from fame to live quietly in Costa Rica with her daughter. Carolyn opens up about the power of intuition, breaking up with perfectionism, navigating single motherhood, and why dedication always beats discipline.
 
SUBSCRIBE►Subscribe to Pretty Tough: https://www.youtube.com/@mariasharapova?sub_confirmation=1
 
LISTEN:►Listen to every episode on your favorite podcast platform⁠:  <a href="https://pod.link/1893437254">https://pod.link/1893437254</a>
<ul>
 <li>00:00 – Introduction: Aging, Longevity, and Supermodel Realities
</li>
 <li>00:59 – Escaping the Spotlight: Why Carolyn Walked Away to Costa Rica
</li>
 <li>02:00 – The Chaotic Moncler Aspen Runway & 30 Years of Experience
</li>
 <li>03:43 – Nana's Wisdom: "Beauty is as Beauty Does" & Trading Discipline for Dedication
</li>
 <li>05:32 – The 1995 Prada Pixie Cut & Finding Her Footing in the Grunge Era
</li>
 <li>08:34 – Maintaining Individuality Amidst Endless Industry Opinions & Working with Legends
</li>
 <li>11:00 – Christy Turlington’s Mentorship & Turning to Yoga and Breathwork
</li>
 <li>13:28 – 73 Vogue Covers: Surreal Moments and the Microscope of Fashion
</li>
 <li>20:00 – Legendary Photographers: Steven Meisel, Peter Lindbergh, and Irving Penn
</li>
 <li>25:12 – The Work Ethic Learned in Japan and Loving Japanese Culture
</li>
 <li>31:00 – Becoming a Single Mother and Choosing Family Over Hollywood Stardom
</li>
 <li>37:25 – A Historic 26-Year Partnership with Estée Lauder
</li>
 <li>41:41 – Visualization, Manifestation, and Wellness in the 1990s
</li>
 <li>48:00 – The "Invisible Supermodel," Boundaries, and Escaping Social Media Exhaustion
</li>
 <li>52:50 – Aging Gracefully, Injectables, and Redefining Beauty Standards
</li>
 <li>57:08 – Rapid Fire: Unlearning People-Pleasing, Perfectionism, and Finding Strength
</li>
</ul>
FOLLOW THE SHOW
►Maria on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/">https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/</a>
►Maria on X: https://x.com/MariaSharapova
►Pretty Tough on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prettytough/?hl=en 
About Pretty Tough
Pretty Tough is the weekly interview podcast hosted by five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova. Each week, Maria sits down with founders, CEOs, athletes, creatives, investors, and other high achievers for candid conversations about leadership, ambition, decision-making, performance, entrepreneurship, wellness, and building exceptional careers.Drawing from her own experience at the highest levels of sport and business, Maria explores what it really takes to succeed—from navigating failure and reinvention to scaling companies, leading teams, and pursuing excellence over the long term. 
About Maria Sharapova
Maria Sharapova is a five-time Grand Slam champion, former World No. 1 tennis player, entrepreneur, investor, bestselling author, and one of the most recognizable athletes of her generation. Since retiring from professional tennis, she has built businesses, invested in consumer, technology, and lifestyle companies, and become a respected voice on leadership, performance, and entrepreneurship. 
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Supermodel icon Carolyn Murphy sits down with Maria Sharapova to reflect on three decades in fashion, shooting 73 Vogue covers (and counting), and the pivotal moment she walked away from fame to live quietly in Costa Rica with her daughter. Carolyn opens up about the power of intuition, breaking up with perfectionism, navigating single motherhood, and why dedication always beats discipline. SUBSCRIBE►Subscribe to Pretty Tough: https://www.youtube.com/@mariasharapova?sub_confirmation=1 LISTEN:►Listen to every episode on your favorite podcast platform⁠: https://pod.link/1893437254 00:00 – Introduction: Aging, Longevity, and Supermodel Realities 00:59 – Escaping the Spotlight: Why Carolyn Walked Away to Costa Rica 02:00 – The Chaotic Moncler Aspen Runway & 30 Years of Experience 03:43 – Nana's Wisdom: "Beauty is as Beauty Does" & Trading Discipline for Dedication 05:32 – The 1995 Prada Pixie Cut & Finding Her Footing in the Grunge Era 08:34 – Maintaining Individuality Amidst Endless Industry Opinions & Working with Legends 11:00 – Christy Turlington’s Mentorship & Turning to Yoga and Breathwork 13:28 – 73 Vogue Covers: Surreal Moments and the Microscope of Fashion 20:00 – Legendary Photographers: Steven Meisel, Peter Lindbergh, and Irving Penn 25:12 – The Work Ethic Learned in Japan and Loving Japanese Culture 31:00 – Becoming a Single Mother and Choosing Family Over Hollywood Stardom 37:25 – A Historic 26-Year Partnership with Estée Lauder 41:41 – Visualization, Manifestation, and Wellness in the 1990s 48:00 – The "Invisible Supermodel," Boundaries, and Escaping Social Media Exhaustion 52:50 – Aging Gracefully, Injectables, and Redefining Beauty Standards 57:08 – Rapid Fire: Unlearning People-Pleasing, Perfectionism, and Finding Strength FOLLOW THE SHOW ►Maria on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/ ►Maria on X: https://x.com/MariaSharapova ►Pretty Tough on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prettytough/?hl=en About Pretty Tough Pretty Tough is the weekly interview podcast hosted by five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova. Each week, Maria sits down with founders, CEOs, athletes, creatives, investors, and other high achievers for candid conversations about leadership, ambition, decision-making, performance, entrepreneurship, wellness, and building exceptional careers.Drawing from her own experience at the highest levels of sport and business, Maria explores what it really takes to succeed—from navigating failure and reinvention to scaling companies, leading teams, and pursuing excellence over the long term. About Maria Sharapova Maria Sharapova is a five-time Grand Slam champion, former World No. 1 tennis player, entrepreneur, investor, bestselling author, and one of the most recognizable athletes of her generation. Since retiring from professional tennis, she has built businesses, invested in consumer, technology, and lifestyle companies, and become a respected voice on leadership, performance, and entrepreneurship. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Supermodel icon Carolyn Murphy sits down with Maria Sharapova to reflect on three decades in fashion, shooting 73 Vogue covers (and counting), and the pivotal moment she walked away from fame to live quietly in Costa Rica with her daughter. Carolyn opens up about the power of intuition, breaking up with perfectionism, navigating single motherhood, and why dedication always beats discipline.
 
SUBSCRIBE►Subscribe to Pretty Tough: https://www.youtube.com/@mariasharapova?sub_confirmation=1
 
LISTEN:►Listen to every episode on your favorite podcast platform⁠:&nbsp; <a href="https://pod.link/1893437254" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://pod.link/1893437254</a>
<ul>
 <li>00:00 – Introduction: Aging, Longevity, and Supermodel Realities
</li>
 <li>00:59 – Escaping the Spotlight: Why Carolyn Walked Away to Costa Rica
</li>
 <li>02:00 – The Chaotic Moncler Aspen Runway &amp; 30 Years of Experience
</li>
 <li>03:43 – Nana's Wisdom: "Beauty is as Beauty Does" &amp; Trading Discipline for Dedication
</li>
 <li>05:32 – The 1995 Prada Pixie Cut &amp; Finding Her Footing in the Grunge Era
</li>
 <li>08:34 – Maintaining Individuality Amidst Endless Industry Opinions &amp; Working with Legends
</li>
 <li>11:00 – Christy Turlington’s Mentorship &amp; Turning to Yoga and Breathwork
</li>
 <li>13:28 – 73 Vogue Covers: Surreal Moments and the Microscope of Fashion
</li>
 <li>20:00 – Legendary Photographers: Steven Meisel, Peter Lindbergh, and Irving Penn
</li>
 <li>25:12 – The Work Ethic Learned in Japan and Loving Japanese Culture
</li>
 <li>31:00 – Becoming a Single Mother and Choosing Family Over Hollywood Stardom
</li>
 <li>37:25 – A Historic 26-Year Partnership with Estée Lauder
</li>
 <li>41:41 – Visualization, Manifestation, and Wellness in the 1990s
</li>
 <li>48:00 – The "Invisible Supermodel," Boundaries, and Escaping Social Media Exhaustion
</li>
 <li>52:50 – Aging Gracefully, Injectables, and Redefining Beauty Standards
</li>
 <li>57:08 – Rapid Fire: Unlearning People-Pleasing, Perfectionism, and Finding Strength
</li>
</ul>
FOLLOW THE SHOW
►Maria on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.instagram.com/mariasharapova/</a>
►Maria on X: https://x.com/MariaSharapova
►Pretty Tough on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prettytough/?hl=en 
About Pretty Tough
Pretty Tough is the weekly interview podcast hosted by five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova. Each week, Maria sits down with founders, CEOs, athletes, creatives, investors, and other high achievers for candid conversations about leadership, ambition, decision-making, performance, entrepreneurship, wellness, and building exceptional careers.Drawing from her own experience at the highest levels of sport and business, Maria explores what it really takes to succeed—from navigating failure and reinvention to scaling companies, leading teams, and pursuing excellence over the long term. 
About Maria Sharapova
Maria Sharapova is a five-time Grand Slam champion, former World No. 1 tennis player, entrepreneur, investor, bestselling author, and one of the most recognizable athletes of her generation. Since retiring from professional tennis, she has built businesses, invested in consumer, technology, and lifestyle companies, and become a respected voice on leadership, performance, and entrepreneurship.&nbsp;
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Supermodel Carolyn Murphy: 73 Vogue Covers, Walking Away from Fame, and Finding Yourself at 53

Welcome to the very first episode of Pretty Tough with Maria Sharapova! For her debut interview, Maria sits down with Hollywood’s highest-grossing actor of all time, Academy Award winner Zoe Saldaña. 
You probably know Zoe from starring in some of the most iconic movie franchises of our lifetimes — Avatar, Star Trek, and Guardians of the Galaxy. But she’s also taken on roles in indie films and different genres. Just last year, she won an Oscar for Emilia Pérez, becoming the first Dominican-American to do so.
Maria and Zoe get into how she went from a little girl in Queens doing ballet to reaching Hollywood's greatest heights.
 
All that and more on the inaugural episode of Pretty Tough.
Pretty Tough is produced in partnership with VOX MEDIA.
 
You can watch Pretty Tough every week on YouTube at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@mariasharapova">⁠youtube.com/@mariasharapova⁠</a> or listen in your favorite podcast app.
Follow us on Instagram @<a href="instagram.com/prettytough">⁠prettytough⁠</a> and TikTok @<a href="%20tiktok.com/@prettytough">⁠prettytough⁠</a>
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Welcome to the very first episode of Pretty Tough with Maria Sharapova! For her debut interview, Maria sits down with Hollywood’s highest-grossing actor of all time, Academy Award winner Zoe Saldaña. You probably know Zoe from starring in some of the most iconic movie franchises of our lifetimes — Avatar, Star Trek, and Guardians of the Galaxy. But she’s also taken on roles in indie films and different genres. Just last year, she won an Oscar for Emilia Pérez, becoming the first Dominican-American to do so. Maria and Zoe get into how she went from a little girl in Queens doing ballet to reaching Hollywood's greatest heights. All that and more on the inaugural episode of Pretty Tough. Pretty Tough is produced in partnership with VOX MEDIA. You can watch Pretty Tough every week on YouTube at ⁠youtube.com/@mariasharapova⁠ or listen in your favorite podcast app. Follow us on Instagram @⁠prettytough⁠ and TikTok @⁠prettytough⁠ Subscribe to Pretty Tough on Substack at ⁠prettytough.substack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the very first episode of Pretty Tough with Maria Sharapova! For her debut interview, Maria sits down with Hollywood’s highest-grossing actor of all time, Academy Award winner Zoe Saldaña.&nbsp;
You probably know Zoe from starring in some of the most iconic movie franchises of our lifetimes — Avatar, Star Trek, and Guardians of the Galaxy. But she’s also taken on roles in indie films and different genres. Just last year, she won an Oscar for Emilia Pérez, becoming the first Dominican-American to do so.
Maria and Zoe get into how she went from a little girl in Queens doing ballet to reaching Hollywood's greatest heights.
 
All that and more on the inaugural episode of Pretty Tough.
Pretty Tough is produced in partnership with VOX MEDIA.
 
You can watch Pretty Tough every week on YouTube at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@mariasharapova" rel="noopener noreferrer">⁠youtube.com/@mariasharapova⁠</a> or listen in your favorite podcast app.
Follow us on Instagram @<a href="instagram.com/prettytough" rel="noopener noreferrer">⁠prettytough⁠</a> and TikTok @<a href="%20tiktok.com/@prettytough" rel="noopener noreferrer">⁠prettytough⁠</a>
Subscribe to Pretty Tough on Substack at <a href="https://prettytough.substack.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">⁠prettytough.substack.com</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="noopener noreferrer">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Zoe Saldaña: How I Became the Highest-Grossing Actor of All Time

Why can't unapologetic ambition coexist with elegance and femininity?
Maria Sharapova is ready to flip the script.
 On her new podcast, Pretty Tough with Maria Sharapova, the tennis champion and entrepreneur hosts conversations with high-achieving women like Zoe Saldana, Jeanie Buss, and Chelsea Handler about what it means to pursue excellence on their own terms. Pretty Tough drops Wednesday 4/22. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Why can't unapologetic ambition coexist with elegance and femininity? Maria Sharapova is ready to flip the script. On her new podcast, Pretty Tough with Maria Sharapova, the tennis champion and entrepreneur hosts conversations with high-achieving women like Zoe Saldana, Jeanie Buss, and Chelsea Handler about what it means to pursue excellence on their own terms. Pretty Tough drops Wednesday 4/22. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Why can't unapologetic ambition coexist with elegance and femininity?
Maria Sharapova is ready to flip the script.
 On her new podcast, Pretty Tough with Maria Sharapova, the tennis champion and entrepreneur hosts conversations with high-achieving women like Zoe Saldana, Jeanie Buss, and Chelsea Handler about what it means to pursue excellence on their own terms. Pretty Tough drops Wednesday 4/22. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices" rel="noopener noreferrer">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Introducing Pretty Tough with Maria Sharapova

Five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova brings her trademark intensity and drive to a weekly podcast that challenges how female ambition is defined and discussed. In each episode of Pretty Tough, Sharapova sits down with high-achieving women across industries for candid, wide-ranging conversations about their pursuit of excellence without apology. Inspired by Sharapova’s own journey as a world-class athlete and entrepreneur, the show serves as a space where discussions about peak performance, career strategy, wellness, and leadership aren't diluted by gender-specific expectations and where being gritty and being female aren't seen as contradictory states of being.

New episodes drop Wednesdays. Part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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Five-time Grand Slam champion, entrepreneur, and bestselling author Maria Sharapova brings her trademark intensity and drive to a weekly podcast that challenges how female ambition is defined and discussed. In each episode of Pretty Tough, Sharapova sits down with high-achieving women across industries for candid, wide-ranging conversations about their pursuit of excellence without apology. Inspired by Sharapova’s own journey as a world-class athlete and entrepreneur, the show serves as a space where discussions about peak performance, career strategy, wellness, and leadership aren't diluted by gender-specific expectations and where being gritty and being female aren't seen as contradictory states of being. New episodes drop Wednesdays. Part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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