Paul and Seth sit down with the "OG" of legal marketing, Ken Hardison, to discuss why the upcoming PILMMA Summit is the ultimate place to work on your business rather than in it. Ken shares how mastermind members have scaled from $300k to $26M in revenue and drops a major exclusive: the launch of an Operators Mastermind for the firm "Seconds in Command". Whether you are a partner, COO, or intake specialist, this episode highlights why community and hallway conversations are the keys to breaking through growth plateaus. Only a limited number of seats remain for San Antonio—listen now to learn how to secure yours.