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Bunnings suppliers face a challenge that extends far beyond a single retailer.

Margin pressure rarely arrives as a crisis.

It arrives as a request.

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Each decision feels manageable on its own. But over time, temporary concessions become commercial expectations, and suppliers end up carrying costs that were never theirs to begin with.

In this episode, we discuss what Bunnings suppliers can teach us about margin loss, channel relationships, and why defending value becomes harder once discounting becomes the norm.

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Most people see the Coles pricing case as a retail story.

It's not.

It's a pricing story.

And for suppliers, the lesson is much bigger than supermarket promotions.

When discounts become frequent, customers stop trusting the full price. Promotional activity starts to shape expectations. Pricing power weakens long before margins show the damage.

In this episode, we explore what suppliers can learn from the Coles pricing case, why pricing credibility matters more than ever, and what commercial leaders can do to protect value before it's too late.

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The discount reflex doesn't just lower your margin; it teaches the market what your product is worth. And once you've taught that lesson, you don't get to unteach it.

In this episode, we break down the recent ACCC findings against retail giant JB Hi-Fi for systematic "was/is" pricing misconduct, and why this isn't just a retail story. It is a critical warning for every B2B supplier, distributor, and manufacturer navigating rising costs and softening demand.

When growth slows and the board demands revenue, the easiest lever to pull is discounting. It looks like action. It feels like a strategy. But most of the time, it's just a business running out of better ideas.

What you will learn in this episode:

• The JB Hi-Fi Reality Check: Why eroding consumer trust destroys the reference value of your product.

• The Danger of the Discount Reflex: How you subconsciously train trade buyers, distributors, and channel partners to hold orders and wait for a deal.

• The Margin Transfer Mechanism: How B2B suppliers are inadvertently funding the promotional responses of major retailers (like Bunnings, Coles, or Woolworths) to solve demand problems that aren't theirs to solve.

• Building a Price Floor: Why the most successful businesses don't just "will" pricing discipline into existence, they build and defend a precise commercial value position before the pressure arrives.

Stop managing the symptom while the disease compounds underneath. It's time to define exactly what your product is worth, quantify it, and build a position strong enough to defend your margin.

What does true pricing power look like when dominant buyers consolidate, overseas competitors slash prices, and your market options shrink all at once?

In this episode of the Pricing College Podcast, we explore the deep strategic lessons concerning B2B pricing power following Wesfarmers' announcement that Blackwoods is moving under the Bunnings umbrella. When major channels merge, the balance of power shifts dramatically. For suppliers, this means you aren't just losing a sale; you are losing an independent buyer and finding yourself fighting for dwindling shelf space against a consolidated giant.

We unpack the three structural pressures squeezing profit margins right now:

• Buyer Power & Channel Concentration (The reality of sudden tenders and lost accounts)
• The Overseas Under-Cut (How supply chains built without your overheads erode your premium)
• A Contracting Independent Network (The quiet disappearance of distributors and trade accounts)

If your only leverage in a consolidated market is a low price, your brand's inherent pricing power has already vanished. Discover how to transition from being treated as mere expendable inventory to building a precise, quantified commercial value position that buyers are forced to respect.

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The Federal Court's ruling against Coles—finding 13 out of 14 "Down Down" promotions to be disingenuous, is a massive wake-up call for the FMCG industry. But the real story isn't just about what the retailers did. It's about a fundamental pricing discipline problem among suppliers.

In this video, we break down why relying on discount dependency and relationship-based negotiation is structurally eroding supplier margins and killing brand trust. If a major retailer demanded a 15% promotional discount tomorrow, do you have a value-based commercial floor to hold your position, or are you treating price like an opening offer?

Watch to learn the 3 ways discounting without a value anchor destroys commercial outcomes, and how to build a pricing architecture that actually protects your P&L.

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TIME STAMP NOTES:

[00:00] Introduction: Why AI Pricing Could Become a Major Commercial Risk

[01:40] Why AI Cannot Fix Broken Pricing Foundations

[02:56] The Industrial Business Case Study and Hidden Margin Leakage

[05:27] How AI Automates Pricing Dysfunction at Scale

[07:30] Why AI Pricing Is a Governance and Transformation Challenge

[09:44] Conclusion: The False Confidence AI Creates Inside Businesses

AI pricing is being positioned as the solution to margin pressure, discount leakage, pricing inconsistency, and commercial complexity.

But what happens when businesses automate pricing structures they never properly fixed in the first place?

In this episode of the Pricing College Podcast, Joanna Wells explores why AI pricing may become one of the biggest hidden commercial risks facing businesses today. From weak governance and unmanaged discounting to pricing overrides, rebates, and fragmented pricing logic, many organisations may be scaling dysfunction rather than solving it.

Using a real industrial business case study, this discussion explores: • Why AI cannot fix broken pricing foundations • How hidden margin leakage becomes embedded inside commercial behaviour • Why teams — not systems — are often holding pricing together manually • How AI can accelerate pricing inconsistency and margin erosion at scale • Why pricing transformation is a governance and commercial capability challenge, not just a technology project • The growing importance of explainable, transparent pricing

If your business is exploring AI pricing, this conversation may change the questions leadership teams should be asking before implementation.

Most executives assume margin pressure is a pricing problem — raise prices and margins should recover.

But in reality, many organisations experience the opposite: margins continue to erode even after price increases are implemented.

In this episode, we explore why this happens inside real companies.

The issue is rarely inflation or market conditions alone. The deeper problem sits inside how pricing is executed across the organisation — from ownership and governance to inconsistent application across thousands of products and decisions.

TIME-STAMPED NOTES: [00:00] Introduction [01:12] The Challenge of Rising Costs [02:39] The Problem of Ownership [03:53] Case Study: Finance and Product Portfolios [05:47] Case Study: Sales and Customer Relationships [09:03] Case Study: Pricing Teams and Internal Views of Value [11:59] Operational Systems and Data Challenges [14:05] Conclusion: Improving Pricing Capability

This episode of the Pricing Transformation series explores the "hidden" complexity that often undermines B2B pricing strategies. Using the recent increase in Australia Post fuel surcharges as a real-world anchor, Joanna Wells discusses how small, reactive commercial decisions—like freight recovery fees and tactical discounts—eventually create an unmanageable system.

• The "Headline Rate" Illusion: Many B2B businesses believe they have fixed pricing, but "stable headline rates" often mask a chaotic reality of off-matrix deals and manual adjustments.

• Industrial Plumbing Metaphor: Pricing systems are compared to old plumbing, where layers of temporary fixes and "patched-in" rules eventually make it impossible to understand the actual price flow.

• The Trust Deficit: Complexity doesn't just hurt margins; it erodes trust. When customers (and employees) can no longer understand the logic behind a price, they perceive it as unfair or opportunistic.

• Control vs. Structure: The real challenge for B2B leaders isn't choosing between "fixed" or "dynamic" pricing, but rather regaining control over a system that has become "unofficially" dynamic and operationally buried.

• [01:03] The Illusion of Price Stability: Why modern B2B pricing is often much more complex than the contract suggests.

• [01:29] The Complexity Beneath the Surface: A look at the "moving parts" like rebates and freight adjustments that distort margins.

• [03:17] The "Industrial Plumbing" of Pricing: How pricing structures become cluttered and inefficient over time.

• [04:52] Operational Reality vs. The Pricing Model: The gap between the intended pricing strategy and actual team behavior.

• [06:14] The Human Side: Trust and Fairness: Why perceived fairness is a critical component of a successful pricing strategy.

• [07:22] The Real Debate: Control and Visibility: Shifting the focus from pricing models to operational transparency.

Does the idea that your business might be running an "unofficial" dynamic pricing system resonate with what you're seeing in your daily operations?

[0:00] Intro: The Uncomfortable Truth

[0:29] Increasing Pressure on Pricing Teams

[1:50] The Accidental Evolution of Pricing

[3:12] Analytical vs. Commercial Capability

[4:19] Why Teams are Set Up to Fail

[5:48] The Capability Gap

[7:49] Managing Complexity vs. Structural Change

[9:29] Limits of External Consultants

[11:00] The AI "Silver Bullet" Delusion

[12:12] Defining a Value Culture

[14:23] Conclusion

In this episode of the Pricing Transformation Series, Joanna Wells, founder and director of Taylor Wells Advisory, addresses the most "uncomfortable topic" in the series: acknowledging that pricing failures often stem from the pricing function itself rather than just sales teams or flawed models. She explores how many pricing teams have evolved haphazardly over time, often as accidental offshoots of finance or sales, and why they are frequently set up to fail.

Times-stamp Notes:

[00:00] Introduction to developing pricing strategies [00:32] Developing pricing strategies amid rising complexity and cost pressures [01:34] Challenges in developing pricing strategies within current systems [03:57] Structural issues in developing pricing strategies [05:48] Example of misalignment when developing pricing strategies [08:47] Improving and developing pricing strategies through better design [10:18] Conclusion: Key takeaways on developing pricing strategies

00:00 Been a big week in Australia and in the world. Pricing is back in the spotlight. And in the news we're reading that major retailers are under scrutiny again for how they're applying discounts. The ACCC are questioning retailers for price transparency. And at the same time, many businesses are dealing with rising input costs driven by fuel, supply chain pressure and global instability fundamentally created by the war we find ourselves in.

00:32 Now, what this highlights to me is something deeper. Pricing is becoming harder and more complex, not easier, unfortunately. And that's not just a consumer issue. I'm seeing this same thing across B2B and trade businesses: inconsistent pricing, heavy discounting, growing pressure to justify decisions. And yet more reliance on short-term fixes. Things like surcharges and minimum order thresholds and now the new trend, just to recover costs.

01:13 Unfortunately, though, many are dropping strategic pricing in favour of these short-term fixes because they feel this will recover margin quicker, better, faster, etc. Which really does beg the question: Is your pricing system actually working for you or against you?

01:34 Hello and welcome to Pricing College podcast. My name is Joanna Wells and I'm the founder and director of Taylor Wells Advisory. And we help businesses improve margin through better pricing strategy. Now, this episode is going to be part of a series on pricing transformation. And the reason being is because many Australian B2B and trade businesses right now are under pressure.

02:04 Pricing just isn't under control and it's at a turning point. We've got legacy models that are struggling to keep up with cost changes, commercial teams who are relying more and more on exceptions to get deals done. And leaders who are asking for more control, more margin and more consistency and often at the same time and teams that can't deliver that. And that creates a huge disconnect. The pricing system says one thing but the business and the team and the culture behaves quite differently. So this series is about unpacking that gap. Not just what's going wrong but what's actually needs to change to make this better for everyone.

02:53 And we'll start with a common assumption: Is pricing isn't working, it must be because of the sales team or the pricing team. The default response is usually: "Let's tighten up the rules and then we'll see things improve quickly." More controls, more approvals, stricter compliance. But if your pricing only works when everyone behaves perfectly, is it really a strong model?

03:57 I see this all the time. A business will request and then roll out a new and improved pricing structure. It's got more refined segmentation, tighter discount bands to ensure margin recovery, clearer rules for the teams to follow. Everything's really well documented. And for a few months it looks really, really good. But then things start slowing down, momentum sort of dies out, bit underwhelming. Exceptions start to creep back in, sales teams start pushing the boundaries again and the system gets worked around yet again and you see increasing pricing records and configurations and complexity. New complexity starts to build upon old. Not because sales and pricing teams are trying to be difficult, no, not at all. It's because the model that they're working with doesn't actually reflect how the business actually sells and customers actually buy from you. This is the key shift. A lot of pricing problems are not merely execution issues. They're actually design structural issues.

04:45 Now, I just want to be clear about this: Sometimes, capability, team structure, organisational design and talent are a part of the issue. They are. And I'll look, I'll come back to that in the next episode. But in many cases, the bigger problem sits in the model itself.

05:09 At this point, it's usually the poor old sales team that gets the blame. "Oh, they're discounting too much, they don't follow process, they're going back to what they know, they're not following the rules. They're leaving margin on the table. They shouldn't have given away that deal at that price. They don't know how to sell on value." But take a look closer. Sales aren't ignoring pricing or the pricing system that you're trying to create, and you've spent a lot of money on. They're trying to make it work.

05:48 Let me give you an example. Okay, so there was this B2B business that I worked for. It was a B2B industrial business, and they were halfway through a business transformation, and they had already engaged with pricing consultants, but had a few questions and so brought me in just to get a third-party objective view about the work they had invested in with this consultancy. And fundamentally, they were concerned because they had their running trials on the new price structure, and they were finding that sales, they just weren't using it. And rather than just not using it, they they were the kept pushing for exceptions and complaining that they needed to do, you know, come up with better pricing themselves, that the system wasn't giving them what they needed. Obviously, you know, leadership backed the pricing model because they'd invested in it and, you know, the diagnostics and all the prototypes and blueprints that the consultants had shared with them seemed to fit with their objectives for wanting more EBITDA.

06:58 However, you know, they were perplexed: well, what's happening? Deals obviously still got done, but what we found was that they got done through workarounds and outside of the system. Fundamentally, after a month or so of reviewing everything, you know, logically, the price structure looked okay, but the model itself didn't match how customers were actually buying from this business.

07:26 And we see this quite a bit. When the business doesn't listen to the team, the sales team, the pricing team, the customers, exceptions increase, trust in the pricing system drops, and pricing becomes much harder to explain and control. When pricing doesn't reflect commercial reality, teams will find a way around it. And over time, inconsistency increases, margin becomes less predictable, and pricing becomes much harder to defend.

08:06 So why isn't your pricing working? Why is pricing so complex? Why is pricing so difficult? It's not because your sales team or your pricing team isn't capable or competent enough, or your sales team and pricing teams are out of control and doing their own thing. It's because your pricing structure was built for a way of selling that no longer exists. And trying to fix it by tightening rules just makes the gap more obvious and teams' lives so much more difficult.

08:47 Are you asking your team to follow a pricing model or to work around one? If pricing relies on constant exceptions, it's not a control issue. It's actually a design signal. You don't fix pricing by adding more rules. You fix it by making it usable, practical, realistic. That means simplifying structures, aligning to how deals actually happen and designing flexibility properly in your system. Not leaving it to exceptions or ignoring the problem.

09:30 This is where pricing transformation starts. It doesn't start with new systems or more complexity, but with a fundamental shift and focus on the core problem and how business actually operates. Designing a pricing model that reflects how the business actually operates and can be used consistently by the teams. Why? Because we want to make people's lives easier. We want to enable our customers to understand the value that we offer, to perceive value correctly. Where structure provides clarity, flexibility is intentional, and outcomes are really easy to explain.

10:18 So if your pricing team feels difficult, onerous, broken, complex... before you blame the sales team or point fingers at the pricing team, ask yourself this: Is our pricing model helping our sales team to sell or is it just getting in the way? Because in most cases, the problem isn't the sales or the pricing team, it's the model that they've been given to work with.

10:50 And in the next episode, I'm going to tackle the other side of this. Because sometimes it is the pricing team, or the sales team or how the functions have been set up. And that's really where pricing transformation gets real. Not in theory, not in systems, but in the choices we make about how pricing gets designed, accountability and ownership. Who owns and drives pricing? How do we support our teams to be the best that they can be? And how do businesses, we, how do we respond to what's actually happening in the market? Do we bury our heads in the sand? Do we react? Do we go gung-ho? Do we listen or do we blame? Because pricing isn't just a number, it's how your business shows up commercially every single day.

11:46 And right now, that's exactly what's under pressure. Thank you for listening. I'm Joanna Wells, I'm the founder and director of Taylor Wells Advisory. And we help businesses improve margin through better pricing strategy.