In this episode our producer, Helen Cai, leads a far reaching conversation with Alissa (guest speaker on Breastfeeding episode) about the joys and challenges of raising children while pursuing rigorous medical training.

=== About Us ===

The Primary Care Pearls (PCP) Podcast is created in collaboration with faculty, residents, and students from the Department of Internal Medicine at the Yale School of Medicine. The project aims to create accessible and informative podcasts about core primary care topics centered around real patient stories. 

Hosts: Helen Cai

Producers: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Logo and Name: Eva Zimmerman

Theme music and Editing: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Other background music: Steve Adams, The Mini Vandals, Density & Time

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In this bonus episode, one of our producers, Helen Cai, dives deeper into the challenges and opportunities of training medical providers to be more competent and confident in guiding new parents through breastfeeding. Our expert is Dr. Deanna Nardella, MD, MHS, a Yale Pediatrician. 

=== About Us ===

The Primary Care Pearls (PCP) Podcast is created in collaboration with faculty, residents, and students from the Department of Internal Medicine at the Yale School of Medicine. The project aims to create accessible and informative podcasts about core primary care topics centered around real patient stories. 

Hosts: Helen Cai

Producers: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Logo and Name: Eva Zimmerman

Theme music and Editing: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Other background music: Schwartzy

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In this episode, Helen Cai and Dr. Faith Crittenden chat with Katherine and Dr. Porto about the challenges and opportunities of relying on infant formula, especially if it wasn’t a parent’s original plan.

=== Outline ===

Chapter 1: The realities of Infant Feeding

Chapter 2: The history and science behind formula

Chapter 3: Safe practices in handing infant formula

Chapter 4: Formula’s unintended benefits on family life

=== Learning Points ===

1. All infant formula are safe and complete due to regulations by the FDA and Infant Formula Act of 1980
2. The majority of infants thrive on standard intact cow’s milk protein formula
3. Prepared, refrigerated formula can be safely stored for up to 24 hours
4. Never dilute formula to stretch it, as this can lead to electrolyte abnormalities and failure to thrive

=== Our Expert(s) ===

Dr. Anthony Porto is a board-certified pediatric gastroenterologist and Professor of Pediatrics at Yale, where he serves as Associate Chief of Pediatric Gastroenterology and Medical Director of the Yale Pediatric Celiac Program. He is a recognized expert in infant nutrition and feeding, co-author of The Pediatrician’s Guide to Feeding Babies and Toddlers, and a spokesperson for the American Academy of Pediatrics

=== Further Reading ===

• CDC 2022 Breastfeeding Report Card: https://www.cdc.gov/breastfeeding-data/breastfeeding-report-card/index.html 
• NASPGHAN list of formula equivalents:  https://naspghan.org/recent-news/naspghan-tools-for-hcps-affected-by-formula-recall/
• Cernioglo K, Smilowitz JT. Infant feeding practices and parental perceptions during the 2022 United States infant formula shortage crisis. BMC Pediatr. 2023 Jun 24;23(1):320. doi: 10.1186/s12887-023-04132-9. PMID: 37355589; PMCID: PMC10290398. 
• Calello DP, Jefri M, Yu M, Zarraga J, Bergamo D, Hamilton R. Notes from the Field: Vitamin D–Deficient Rickets and Severe Hypocalcemia in Infants Fed Homemade Alkaline Diet Formula — Three States, August 2020–February 2021. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep 2021;70:1124–1125. DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.15585/mmwr.mm7033a4
• Anderson CE, Whaley SE, Goran MI. Lactose-reduced infant formula with corn syrup solids and obesity risk among participants in the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC). Am J Clin Nutr. 2022 Oct 6;116(4):1002-1009. doi: 10.1093/ajcn/nqac173. PMID: 35998087; PMCID: PMC10157812. 

=== About Us ===

The Primary Care Pearls (PCP) Podcast is created in collaboration with faculty, residents, and students from the Department of Internal Medicine at the Yale School of Medicine. The project aims to create accessible and informative podcasts about core primary care topics centered around real patient stories. 

Hosts: Helen Cai

Producers: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Logo and Name: Eva Zimmerman

Theme music and Editing: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Other background music: Jeremy Black, Nat Keefe, Schwartzy, Corbyn Kites, Dan Bodan, The Mini Vandals, Moonrise, Density&Time, Quincas Moreira, Jesse Gallagher, John Patitucci, Steve Adams

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In this episode, Helen Cai chats with Dr. Chen and Dr. Nardella about the challenges and joys involved with feeding babies through breastfeeding.

=== Outline ===

Chapter 1: Motivation for Learning

Chapter 2: Counseling on benefits of Breastfeeding

Chapter 3: Collecting a history and troubleshooting

Chapter 4: Not all situations are the same

=== Learning Points ===

1. Breastfeeding Pain is Not Normal: While some tenderness may occur in the very early days, ongoing pain, is a sign of a problem.
2. Supply and Demand Basics: Breastfeeding largely operates on supply and demand. Parents need to be encouraged to drain the breast 8 to 12 times in 24 hours to establish an adequate milk supply.
3. Universal Provider Responsibility: All primary care physicians should have a foundational knowledge of common breastfeeding challenges and counseling techniques.
4. Focus on Parent Goals and Informed Decision: Counseling should avoid shaming and move past yes/no questions and use motivational interviewing.

=== Our Expert(s) ===

Deanna Nardella, MD, MHS is a general pediatrician at Yale who completed her pediatrics residency at The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia and later joined Yale as a National Clinician Scholar, bringing a strong background in infant care and breastfeeding medicine to her work with families.

=== Further Reading ===

1. American Academy of Pediatrics. Policy Statement: Breastfeeding and the Use of Human Milk https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/1/e2022057988/188347/Policy-Statement-Breastfeeding-and-the-Use-of?autologincheck=redirected 
2. Academy of Breastfeeding Medicine: links to “Need to Know” videos
   https://www.bfmed.org/need-to-know-videos
3. Institute for the Advancement of Breastfeeding and Lactation Education (IABLE): Offers online CME and eCourses, including a “1 Day Primary Care Breastfeeding Medicine Course for Physicians and Other Providers”
   https://lacted.org/ 
4. Global Health Media Project: Offers free instructional videos on a wide range of breastfeeding topics
   https://globalhealthmedia.org/video/?_topic=breastfeeding&_language=english&~1 
5. E-lactancia: Spanish and English information about compatibility between medications and breastfeeding. https://www.e-lactancia.org/ 
6. Drugs and Lactation Database (LactMed), maintained by the NIH: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK501922/ 

=== About Us ===

The Primary Care Pearls (PCP) Podcast is created in collaboration with faculty, residents, and students from the Department of Internal Medicine at the Yale School of Medicine. The project aims to create accessible and informative podcasts about core primary care topics centered around real patient stories. 

Hosts: Helen Cai

Producers: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Logo and Name: Eva Zimmerman

Theme music and Editing: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Other background music: Alge, futuremono, Joel Cummins, Schwartzy, Density & Time, The Tower of Light, Asher Fulero, Track Tribe, Penguinmusic, Esther Abrami, the Mini Vandals, Godmode, Quincas Moreira, Nathan Moore, Adam MacDougall, 

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In this episode, Dr. Liang chats with Alexis and Dr. Quinn about the challenges involved with helping adolescents transition care into the adulthood.

=== Outline ===

Chapter 1: Building a team of specialists

Chapter 2: Transitions to adult care

Chapter 3: The role of parents

Chapter 4: Parting advice

Chapter 5: Conclusion

=== Learning Points ===

1. While it’s tempting to think of adolescents as simply younger versions of adult patients, we need to recognize that they have their own needs and considerations. They’re learning about how to navigate the health care system for the first time, and will likely need our help to understand it. 
2. If you’re listening to this as a specialist or as an adult provider who sees young adults, just remember that they may need a little bit of extra grace and kindness when they show up to see you for the first time. Your attitude easily becomes their attitude.
3. Emphasize interdependence, rather than independence. Who do teens have on their team, and how can we build up their toolkit of strategies and problem solving to best set them up for success?

=== Our Expert(s) ===

Sheila M. Quinn, DO, is an attending physician in the Craig-Dalsimer Division of Adolescent Medicine and the Transition to Adult Care Program at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Her areas of expertise include adolescent and young adult health, reproductive health, and health care transitions.

=== Toolkits and Resources ===

• https://gottransition.org/ 

=== About Us ===

The Primary Care Pearls (PCP) Podcast is created in collaboration with faculty, residents, and students from the Department of Internal Medicine at the Yale School of Medicine. The project aims to create accessible and informative podcasts about core primary care topics centered around real patient stories. 

Hosts: Addy Feibel

Producers: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Logo and Name: Eva Zimmerman

Theme music and Editing: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Other background music: Patrick Patrikios, Nat Keefe, The Mini Vandals, John Patitucci, DivKid, Joel Cummins, Godmode, Ammil

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In this episode, Dr. Liang interviews Dr. Quinn (Adolescent Health Provider) and Alexis (Teenager) on her personal experience with navigating social media, mental health struggles, and reproductive health with her healthcare providers. 

=== Outline ===

Chapter 1: Definitions

Chapter 2: Establishing a relationship with the patient

Chapter 3: Mental health

Chapter 4: Social media

Chapter 5: Sexual and reproductive health

Chapter 6: Conclusion

=== Learning Points ===

1. First impressions are important. How you set up and frame the relationship with a teen patient will set the tone for the teen’s trust, and how much they choose to confide in you in the coming years. 
2. Instead of being prescriptive or setting limits, such as with social media, we can equip teens with the skills to reflect on their interactions. What does it mean to be kind in an online world? Is it leading to meaningful and constructive interactions? Or is it quickly becoming a detriment to someone’s identity and how they see themselves?
3. No matter the topic, using normalizing language can go a long way in empowering adolescents to share. When discussing topics included in the social history, using simple language can go a long way in avoiding misunderstandings. Remember, it might be the first time that teens are hearing these words being used.

=== Our Expert(s) ===

Sheila M. Quinn, DO, is an attending physician in the Craig-Dalsimer Division of Adolescent Medicine and the Transition to Adult Care Program at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Her areas of expertise include adolescent and young adult health, reproductive health, and health care transitions.

=== Toolkits and Resources ===

• n/a

=== About Us ===

The Primary Care Pearls (PCP) Podcast is created in collaboration with faculty, residents, and students from the Department of Internal Medicine at the Yale School of Medicine. The project aims to create accessible and informative podcasts about core primary care topics centered around real patient stories. 

Hosts: Addy Feibel

Producers: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Logo and Name: Eva Zimmerman

Editing: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Theme music: Josh Onyango

Other background music: Nat Keefe, TrackTribe, Geographer, Asher Fulero, Loopop, Freedom Trail Studio, Chris Haugen, Aaron Kenny, Ammil, penguinmusic, 

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In this episode, Delaney, Chloe, and Dr. Canarie help us understand how to provide inclusive care for everyone, including patients from LGBTQ+ community.

=== Outline ===

Chapter 1: Creating a welcoming environment

Chapter 2: Sexual history and organ inventory 

Chapter 3: An informed physical exam

=== Learning Points ===

1.  A simple, basic thing to do to create a safe environment for trans individuals is to commit to using their correct pronouns and name, which may be different from their legal name or the name on their medical records. This extends to before and after the visit, when you may be discussing a patient with other staff members.
2. Somebody's gender expression may be vastly different from their gender identity, and the same goes for sexual identity and sexual expression. What this means for us is that we shouldn't make assumptions about the individual sitting in front of us, for instance, that someone is taking hormones or wants to be, or that somebody who identifies as lesbian, bisexual, or gay is practicing a certain type of sex.
3. Use trauma-informed care when taking a sexual history and performing the physical exam. And we should be doing this with every patient we see, not just LGBTQ + patients. This can look like asking permission to discuss a topic and offering patients the choice to opt out.

=== Our Expert(s) ===

Dr. Canarie graduated from Arizona State University and the Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth. He completed his combined internal medicine and pediatrics residency at the Yale School of Medicine in 2020. During this time, Dr. Canarie studied under Anchor Health’s cofounder, A.C. Demidont, DO, AAHIVS, where he experienced firsthand how lifesaving competent care is for LGBTQ people. After graduating, Dr. Canarie served as a chief resident in pediatrics. In 2021, Dr. Canarie was hired as the medical director of Anchor Health’s HIV Prevention & Treatment Program. 

=== Toolkits and Resources ===

• YSM Dean’s Advisory Council guide
• Fenway textbook: Transgender and Gender Diverse Health Care: The Fenway Guide
• Free CME sponsored by Fenway: https://www.lgbtqiahealtheducation.org/
• Neo pronouns: https://neopronounss.carrd.co/ 
• CDC: Taking a sexual history using the 5 P’s https://www.cdc.gov/sti/hcp/clinical-guidance/taking-a-sexual-history.html#cdc_generic_section_3-the-five-ps 

=== Listen to more LGBTQ+ voices ===

• Making Gay History (podcast & book)
• LGBTQ&A (podcast)
• TransLash (podcast & website)
• Gender Reveal (podcast)

=== About Us ===

The Primary Care Pearls (PCP) Podcast is created in collaboration with faculty, residents, and students from the Department of Internal Medicine at the Yale School of Medicine. The project aims to create accessible and informative podcasts about core primary care topics centered around real patient stories. 

Hosts: Delaney Rawson

Producers: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Logo and Name: Eva Zimmerman

Theme music and Editing: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Other background music: The Mini Vandals, Density & Time, The Tides, Jesse Gallagher, Chillout, Astron

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In the final episode of the ESRD series, Dr. Montano and Bernstein discuss the implications and mechanisms behind dialysis and our patients share their experiences with both dialysis and kidney transplantation.

=== Outline ===

Chapter 1: Approaching dialysis

Chapter 2: Hemodialysis vs peritoneal dialysis

Chapter 3: Practicalities of living on dialysis

Chapter 4: Kidney transplantation

=== Learning Points ===

1. Hemodialysis and peritoneal dialysis are the two primary options for long-term renal replacement therapy. The two modalities are very different, and the patient’s lifestyle and individual needs should be considered when choosing a form of dialysis.
2. The decision to start dialysis is complex and should involve shared decision-making between the patient and their healthcare team with open communication. 
3. Dialysis significantly impacts patients’ lives by requiring them to change their daily routines and dietary restrictions. Beyond this, it can significantly impact their emotional and social well-being. 
4. Kidney transplantation offers a potential for improved quality of life and further longevity, as compared to dialysis options.

=== Our Expert(s) ===

Dr. Paul Bernstein graduated from Union College in 1982, where he earned a BA in Biology.  He then attended the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, where he was elected to AOA.  In 1988, he joined the Yale Traditional Internal Medicine Residency, serving as Chief Resident from 1991-1992.  From 1992-1995, he was a Yale nephrology fellow, and after that, he joined the faculty at the University of Rochester.  From 1997-2000, he was an APD for the University of Rochester Primary Care Residency, and from 2000-2012, he was Program Director for the Internal Medicine Residency at Rochester General Hospital.  

=== Further Reading ===

1. NIH National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases: Facts about Peritoneal Dialysis
   https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/kidney-disease/kidney-failure/peritoneal-dialysis
2. Wong B, Ravani P, Oliver MJ, Holroyd-Leduc J, Venturato L, Garg AX, Quinn RR. Comparison of Patient Survival Between Hemodialysis and Peritoneal Dialysis Among Patients Eligible for Both Modalities. Am J Kidney Dis. 2018 Mar;71(3):344-351. doi: 10.1053/j.ajkd.2017.08.028. Epub 2017 Nov 22. PMID: 29174322. 

=== About Us ===

The Primary Care Pearls (PCP) Podcast is created in collaboration with faculty, residents, and students from the Department of Internal Medicine at the Yale School of Medicine. The project aims to create accessible and informative podcasts about core primary care topics centered around real patient stories. 

Host: Josh Onyango

Producers: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Logo and Name: Eva Zimmerman

Theme music and Editing: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Other background music: Aaron Kenny, The Tides, TrackTribe, Dan Bodan, Astron, Asher Fulero,  VYEN, The Soundlings

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In this first episode of the ESRD series, Dr. Montano and Bernstein discuss how to  diagnose kidney failure while Drs. Hart and Aklilu wrestle with the fraught history of using race in the measurement of kidney function.

=== Outline ===

Chapter 1: A gradual progression

Chapter 2: A history of EGFR through the lens of race

Chapter 3: Involving the nephrologist

Chapter 4: Medication adjustments and monitoring

=== Learning Points ===

1. The symptoms underlying a progression from CKD to ESRD are often vague. A definitive diagnosis requires measuring kidney function. 
2. The history of measuring kidney function includes the use of creatinine as a biomarker and the development of equations to calculate EGFR. Many of these equations have historically explicitly involved race, which has come under scrutiny and controversy. 
3. Once a patient’s creatinine is consistently higher than 1.6, consider referral to a nephrologist for assistance with ongoing monitoring and considerations for transplantation. 
4. A diagnosis of ESRD may require medication adjustments and careful monitoring for complications such as anemia, electrolyte changes, bone mineral disease, and swings in blood pressure.

=== Our Expert(s) ===

Dr. Paul Bernstein graduated from Union College in 1982, where he earned a BA in Biology.  He then attended the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, where he was elected to AOA.  In 1988, he joined the Yale Traditional Internal Medicine Residency, serving as Chief Resident from 1991-1992.  From 1992-1995, he was a Yale nephrology fellow, and after that, he joined the faculty at the University of Rochester.  From 1997-2000, he was an APD for the University of Rochester Primary Care Residency, and from 2000-2012, he was Program Director for the Internal Medicine Residency at Rochester General Hospital.  

=== Further Reading ===

1. NIH National Institutes of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases: Fast Facts on Kidney Disease https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/kidney-disease
2. Diao JA et al. National Projections for Clinical Implications of Race-Free Creatinine-Based GFR Estimating Equations. J Am Soc Nephrol. 2023 Feb 1;34(2):309-321. doi: 10.1681/ASN.2022070818. Epub 2022 Nov 11. PMID: 36368777; PMCID: PMC10103103.
3. St Peter WL et al; Written on behalf of the National Kidney Foundation Workgroup for Implementation of Race-Free eGFR-Based Medication-Related Decisions. Moving forward from Cockcroft-Gault creatinine clearance to race-free estimated glomerular filtration rate to improve medication-related decision-making in adults across healthcare settings: A consensus of the National Kidney Foundation Workgroup for Implementation of Race-Free eGFR-Based Medication-Related Decisions. Am J Health Syst Pharm. 2024 Nov 18:zxae317. doi: 10.1093/ajhp/zxae317. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 39552516. 

=== About Us ===

The Primary Care Pearls (PCP) Podcast is created in collaboration with faculty, residents, and students from the Department of Internal Medicine at the Yale School of Medicine. The project aims to create accessible and informative podcasts about core primary care topics centered around real patient stories. 

Host: Josh Onyango

Producers: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Logo and Name: Eva Zimmerman

Theme music and Editing: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Other background music: I Think I Can Help You, John Patitucci, Chris Haugen, DivKid, Asher Fulero, Jesse Gallagher, Saidbysed

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In our final episode of the Geriatric series, Dr. Xu and Drs. Ouellets discuss how to  manage neurocognitive disorders in elderly patients. Daniel facilitates the conversation with a sweet couple navigating these challenges.

=== Outline ===

Chapter 1: An Unexpected Diagnosis

Chapter 2: Diagnosing Dementia

Chapter 3: Dementia Treatment and Specialist Care

Chapter 4: Supporting Caregivers

=== Learning Points ===

1. Dementia is characterized by both functional and cognitive impairment. While it’s important to consider a broad differential, it’s not strictly necessary to rule out all causes of impairment before proceeding with assessment for dementia. 
2. Once a diagnosis of dementia has been made, there are certain components of long-term care to be addressed. This is where referral to a geriatrician can be helpful, as they can help to connect patients with resources and help to provide long-term counseling. 
3. As dementia progresses, behavioral issues in patients may emerge. It’s important to gather as much information about the context of these issues as possible, in order to think about non-pharmacologic solutions and interventions. 
4. Maintain a high index of suspicion for caregiver burnout, and try to determine what resources a caregiver needs and/or if they are willing to accept help.

=== Our Expert(s) ===

Dr. Gregory Ouellet graduated from Brown University in Providence, RI with a Bachelor of Science in biology and then attended medical school at the University of Rochester. Dr. Jennifer Ouellet is a geriatrician who specializes in the care of older adults with multiple chronic illnesses. They completed their clinical training in Internal Medicine and Geriatrics at Yale and are currently full time faculty in the Section of Geriatrics.

=== References ===

1. Albrecht T, Schroeder M, LeCaire T, Endicott S, Marschall K, Felten K, Sayavedra N, Russmann S, Kern V, Blazek MC, Kales HC, Carlsson CM, Mahoney J, Walaszek A. Training dementia care professionals to help caregivers improve the management of behavioral and psychological symptoms of dementia using the DICE Approach: A pilot study. Geriatr Nurs. 2022 Nov-Dec;48:74-79. doi: 10.1016/j.gerinurse.2022.08.016. Epub 2022 Sep 22. PMID: 36155312; PMCID: PMC11881159.
2. Mehrani I, Sachdev PS. The role of Memory Clinics in the assessment and management of dementia, now and into the future. Curr Opin Psychiatry. 2022 Mar 1;35(2):118-122. doi: 10.1097/YCO.0000000000000777. PMID: 35026801.
3. Reuben DB, Romero T, Evertson LC, Jennings LA. Overwhelmed: a Dementia Caregiver Vital Sign. J Gen Intern Med. 2022 Aug;37(10):2469-2474. doi: 10.1007/s11606-021-07054-3. Epub 2021 Aug 13. PMID: 34389938; PMCID: PMC9360256.
4. van Dyck CH, Swanson CJ, Aisen P, Bateman RJ, Chen C, Gee M, Kanekiyo M, Li D, Reyderman L, Cohen S, Froelich L, Katayama S, Sabbagh M, Vellas B, Watson D, Dhadda S, Irizarry M, Kramer LD, Iwatsubo T. Lecanemab in Early Alzheimer's Disease. N Engl J Med. 2023 Jan 5;388(1):9-21. doi: 10.1056/NEJMoa2212948. Epub 2022 Nov 29. PMID: 36449413.

=== About Us ===

The Primary Care Pearls (PCP) Podcast is created in collaboration with faculty, residents, and students from the Department of Internal Medicine at the Yale School of Medicine. The project aims to create accessible and informative podcasts about core primary care topics centered around real patient stories. 

Hosts: Helen Cai

Producers: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango, Daniel Wang

Logo and Name: Eva Zimmerman

Theme music and Editing: Helen Cai, Josh Onyango

Other background music: True Cuckoo, Asher Fulero, Dan Bodan, Ammil, Dan Bodan

Instagram: @pcpearls

Twitter: @PCarePearls

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