Host Brian Wesolowski chats with Deirdre Mulligan – a cornerstone member of the CDT Board of Directors and our founding – and Ken Bamberger, both from the UC Berkeley Center for Law & Technology. They're coauthors of "Privacy on the Ground," and break down their research and arguments for us (can you say, stocking-stuffer?).

Attribution: sounds used from Psykophobia, Taira Komori, BenKoning, Zabuhailo, bloomypetal, guitarguy1985, bmusic92, and offthesky of freesound.org.