In this episode, I’m joined by Natalie Marcotullio, Head of Growth & Product Marketing at Navattic — and one of the most recognizable voices in the world of interactive demos.Natalie breaks down the launch of Navattic’s AI Storyboard Generator — a tool designed to solve one of the biggest pain points for demo builders: how to outline a product story that actually converts.We also dig into:- The messy transition from sales-led to PLG- How product marketing and growth can work better together- Real data from their “Buyer First” report (with a fun cameo from me)- And the underrated tool she’s using to sharpen messagingIf you’re launching a self-serve motion, working at a PLG startup, or just tired of guessing at demo copy, this one’s worth your time.---What We Cover:- Why Navattic moved from sales-led to product-led- How the AI Storyboard Generator was built and launched- The importance of buyer-first content and transparency- Lessons from their annual “Buyer First” report- Tools Natalie swears by (including GetWhys)- Her take on the future of product marketing in a PLG world---Chapters:00:00 Natalie’s Journey into Product Marketing03:07 Moving from Growth to Product Marketing05:24 How Growth & PMM Align on Customer Experience08:30 Lessons from Going PLG at Navattic10:55 The Launch of the AI Storyboard Generator14:54 CTA Strategy Inside Interactive Demos15:59 Using the Tool to Drive Free Trials18:11 Report Breakdown: “Buyer First” Trends in 202521:13 The Ongoing Debate on Pricing Pages22:21 Tool Talk: GetWhys for Better Messaging26:06 Why Founding Stories Still Matter28:38 Behind the Scenes: A/B Testing Launch at Navattic30:53 Final Thoughts on PMM’s Role in the Future---Links Mentioned:- Navattic’s AI Storyboard Generator: https://www.navattic.com/storyboard- Buyer First Report: https://www.navattic.com/buyer-first-report- GetWhys: https://www.getwhys.com---Follow Natalie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataliemarcotullio---#ProductMarketing #InteractiveDemos #PLG #GoToMarket #PMM #ProductLaunch #B2BSaaS #GrowthMarketing #Navattic #NatalieMarcotullio #Podcast

In this episode, I sit down with Jason Oakley — founder of Productive PMM and the PMM Files newsletter — to break down how he’s helping solo product marketers stay focused, launch better, and build real structure without the chaos.Jason shares the exact playbooks and templates he’s used (and now teaches) to help founding PMMs prioritize launches, manage stakeholder alignment, and move fast without burning out.We also talk about his own shift from in-house PMM to creator, coach, and agency founder — and what he's learned along the way.If you're a solo PMM or the first product marketer at your company, this one’s for you.What We Cover:- Why the founding PMM role isn’t going away- How to tier your launches (P1–P4) with product- Jason’s go-to launch templates and tools- Building Productive PMM, DemoDash, and the PMM Files- What the future looks like for solo product marketersMentioned in the Episode:- Productive PMM - https://productivepmm.com- PMM Files Newsletter - https://productivepmm.com/newsletter- DemoDash - https://demodash.coGet in touch with Jason: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oakleyjason/

In this episode, I welcomed Robert Kaminski, co-founder of Fletch PMM, to discuss the intricacies of product marketing, particularly in the B2B startup space. We explored the journey of establishing FletchPMM, the importance of narrowing down to a specific niche, and the challenges faced by B2B startups in positioning their products effectively.

Robert shared insights from his work with over 350 companies, emphasizing the significance of understanding use cases and market segmentation. We also dove into a case study of BugHerd's positioning strategy and concluded with thoughts on the future of product marketing, particularly the integration of AI.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction

02:52 The Journey to Fletch PMM

05:27 Narrowing Down to a Niche

08:43 Challenges in B2B Startup Positioning

11:42 The Importance of Use Cases

14:35 Case Study: Bug Herd's Positioning Strategy

26:30 Understanding Customer Perspectives

29:28 The Visionary Trap in Startups

32:30 Market Maturity and Positioning Strategies

33:28 The Importance of Use Cases

38:10 The Future of Product Marketing

41:00 The Role of Product Marketing in Startups

43:55 Final Thoughts and Tools for Success

Thank you to everyone for their incredible support for Episodes 1, 2, and 3 so far!

In Episode 4, I invited my good friend Cris Thome (Global Head of Product Marketing at Uberall) to join me for a chat and to walk us through how she used April Dunford's framework from April's latest book (Sales Pitch) to build her own sales deck at Uberall.

Cris & I deep-dived into her step-by-process and also covered other topics like:

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In Episode 3, I invited Nitin Kartik (also a Director of Product Marketing) to join me for a chat.

We spoke about a range of topics, from the importance of continuous learning to his switch to product marketing from other functions within marketing and the reality vs. expectations in the role.

In this episode, we also spoke about:

- How he leveraged the Pareto Principle (80:20 rule) to optimize his marketing spends

- "Zero-based budgeting" and how to leverage it when joining a new job

- How he went from a skeptic to an evangelist of Monday.com.

...and a lot more!

Connect with Nitin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nitinkartik/

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In Episode 2, I invited my friend Susanna Bogardus (Principal PMM at Workday) to join me for a chat.

She brought a great example with her from her time working at 360Learning, where she led a massive company-wide project of building an AI-certification eCourse for their target audience - L&D (Learning & Development) Managers.

During our chat, we also spoke about:

and a lot more!

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In this inaugural episode, I invited my friend Sonduren F. (Senior Director of Product Marketing at Airbase) and we had a great chat about a bunch of topics.

What we covered:

and a lot more!

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Discussion of Notion Document

03:39 Introduction to Product Marketing Breakdowns

06:18 Background and Journey into Product Marketing

08:16 Evolution of Product Marketing

13:49 Traits of a Successful Product Marketing Manager

21:24 Breakdown: Messaging and Positioning in an Upmarket Context

27:59 Collaboration and Testing in the Process

35:02 Continuous Testing and Iteration for Refining Messaging and Positioning

38:18 Competing Against the Status Quo and Alternatives

44:38 Effective Communication with Customers: Targeted Messaging and Reduced Distractions

47:30 Tailoring the Customer Journey to User Personas and Frequency of Use

56:19 The Strategic Role of Product Marketing in Driving Business Growth