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This week, Jenny and Sarah follow a strange rabbit hole that started with a podcast about the history of meth.

Yes, really.

The episode explored how stimulants were once used to push soldiers, pilots, and workers to stay awake longer and produce more. And it sparked a bigger question: why has the workplace always been obsessed with squeezing more productivity out of humans?

More with less.
Work harder.
Sleep less.
Grind.

Sound familiar?

What’s inside this episode:

[03:30] The surprising history of productivity drugs and why they were originally used
[06:45] Why workplaces have chased “more with less” for decades
[10:20] The Uber leadership philosophy that openly promotes grind culture
[15:10] When transparency about workload actually helps employees self-select out
[18:40] The dangerous expectation that employees should care as much as founders
[21:15] The difference between working hard and sacrificing your entire life to work
[24:30] Why “work as hard as I do” is a flawed leadership mindset
[27:00] The reality of corporate workloads and why “more with less” usually means something else gets dropped
[30:15] The two leadership lessons every company should take from this conversation

This episode isn’t about avoiding hard work.

It’s about being honest about what work actually demands, and remembering that the people doing it are human.

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