In this episode Tony (IG: @_Blacktoned ) speaks to Professor Mamokgethi Phakeng (IG: @Fabacademic) who is a Professor of Mathematics and Vice Chancellor at the University of Cape Town, South Africa. In their conversation, Tony and Prof Phakeng journey through different points on good leadership while making reflections on South Africa's socio-political climate and the need for a global Decolonial project. The views raised by Prof Phakeng in this episode are those of her's and are not the views of the University of Cape Town.