From Wix’s upsell hell and clunky prompts to Lovable and Base44’s near-perfect prompt adherence, the hosts break down what separates gimmicky automation from true AI leverage. If you’re building, shipping, or just curious how far AI website builders have come.  This episode is your filter for signal over noise.

CHAPTERS
[00:00] - Intro
[02:41] - The showdown starts
[03:03] - Wix
[12:00] - Lovable
[15:09] - Base 44
[18:33] - Conclusions

LINKS
Querio: Natural language analytics for your product team - https://bit.ly/panc_querio
Base 44 - https://base44.com/
Wix - https://www.wix.com/
Lovable - https://lovable.dev/ 

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MUSIC
Oleksandr Savochka

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Most people think building a powerful AI copilot takes months of coding and a team of engineers, but in this episode Ilan shows how he built one in just one evening that could plan strategy, analyze competitors, write product documents, and even automate workflows. We break down exactly how to set up your system prompt, feed it real context, and use recursion to make it smarter with every iteration, plus how to turn it into a productivity machine that does the work of an entire product team. If you have ever wished for an AI business partner that actually thinks with you, this is the blueprint.

CHAPTERS

[00:00] - Introduction & Setting the Stage

[01:25] - Building an AI Copilot from Scratch

[09:30] - Enhancing the Copilot with Research & Requirements

[15:40] - Automations, Applications & Final Takeaways

LINKS

Querio: Natural language analytics for your product team - https://bit.ly/panc_querio

Tal Raviv’s post on Lenny’s Newsletter - https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-super-ic-pm-tal-raviv

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MUSIC

• Oleksandr Savochka

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Description

David and Ilan catch you up on the flurry of AI news from mid-October, from Anthropic's latest Sonnet release to OpenAI's Dev Days announcements. Plus, they dive deep into Sora 2's video generation capabilities and share the structured prompting techniques that actually work for creating multi-shot videos (including mountain-biking dogs).

Chapters

[00:38] - Anthropic Sonnet 4.5 and Full-Stack Coding Tools

[03:19] - Microsoft's Text-to-Audio Models

[06:09] - OpenAI's Big Announcements: Commerce, Sora 2, and Dev Days

[12:24] - AI Slop Goes Corporate and Lionsgate's Failed Experiment

[14:56] - Sora 2 Deep Dive and Video Creation Techniques

Sponsors

Querio: your AI data analyst → querio.ai

Links

Anthropic Claude - https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-5

Lovable - https://lovable.dev/cloud

Bolt - https://bolt.new/blog/bolt-v2

Microsoft Copilot Labs - https://copilot.microsoft.com/labs

OpenAI - https://openai.com/devday/

Sora - https://sora.chatgpt.com/

Runway & Lionsgate - https://3dvf.com/en/generative-ai-one-year-later-the-runway-lionsgate-alliance-faces-reality/
Deloitte & AU government - https://fortune.com/2025/10/07/deloitte-ai-australia-government-report-hallucinations-technology-290000-refund/

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Description

Ilan takes David on a deep dive into N8N, the workflow automation platform that's somehow worth $2.3 billion despite making developers set up Google API projects manually. They explore how this "Goldilocks" tool sits between Zapier's simplicity and full-on coding, with Ilan walking through his real-world workflow that automates LinkedIn posts from podcast episodes—complete with all the nerdy technical hurdles he encountered along the way.

Chapters

[00:28] - What is N8N and Why It Exists

[03:58] - N8N's Meteoric Rise and Funding Rounds

[06:38] - Pricing Model and Developer Community

[08:28] - How Workflows and Agents Work in N8N

[10:06] - Building a Real Workflow: LinkedIn Post Automation

[16:18] - Lessons Learned and Recommendations

Business Use Cases/Applications

Automated social media content creation workflow using webhooks, AI agents, and Google integrations to draft LinkedIn posts from podcast transcripts

Setting up custom API connections in Google Cloud Platform to enable N8N integrations with Drive and Gmail

Using N8N's code nodes to run custom JavaScript or Python for data transformation within workflows

Sponsors

Querio → https://querio.ai 

Links

N8N - https://n8n.io

Transistor - https://transistor.fm

Lindy AI - https://www.lindy.ai

Zapier - https://zapier.com

Sequoia Capital - https://www.sequoiacap.com

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Description

Ilan puts Lindy.ai to the test for podcast automation and customer discovery, only to find himself debugging workflows until 2 AM while his wife waits for date night. David and Ilan break down what works, what doesn't, and how Lindy compares to ChatGPT's agent mode.

Chapters

[00:00] - How Lindy Ruined Date Night

[03:34] - The Lindy Workflow Disaster

[08:11] - Pricing and Credits Problem

[13:17] - Integration Issues and Hallucinations

[23:00] - What Actually Works Well

[30:08] - Final Verdict and Alternatives

Sponsors

Querio → https://querio.ai 

Links

Lindy.ai - https://www.lindy.ai

Transistor - https://transistor.fm

N8N - https://n8n.io

Zapier - https://zapier.com

Crunchbase - https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/lindy

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Description
David and Ilan take you on a Nano Banana Bonanza and explore Google's viral image generation model. They tell you why it's creating such a buzz, how to use it effectively, and practical business applications beyond viral memes.

Chapters

• [00:00] - What is Nano Banana and Why the Hype?
• [02:26] - Identity Preservation: The Secret Sauce
• [04:22] - Live Demo: Creating a Tech CEO Meme
• [08:30] - When AI Struggles: Multiple People Problems
• [09:15] - Pro Tips for Better Results
• [11:17] - 91 Use Cases: Beyond the Basics
• [12:23] - Business Applications: Slides and Mockups
• [14:55] - Cost and Speed Advantages

Key Topics

• Identity Consistency: How Nano Banana preserves facial features across transformations
• Step-by-Step Approach: Breaking complex generations into manageable pieces
• Context Limitations: Why multiple people in scenes cause problems
• Business Applications: From presentation slides to app prototypes
• Speed vs Quality: Fast generation with reroll capabilities
• Natural Language Prompting: Less technical jargon required

Pro Tips

• Do complex edits one step at a time
• Extract elements (like clothing) separately before combining
• Use the reroll button liberally - variability is expected
• Fewer people in scenes = more consistent results
• Leverage the 91 examples repository for inspiration

Sponsor
Querio – AI-powered data analysis tool for natural language product queries  
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Links

• Access Nano Banana: aistudio.google.com
• 91 Use Cases Repository: https://github.com/PicoTrex/Awesome-Nano-Banana-images/blob/main/README_en.md 
• E-boy image style examples: https://www.eboy.com/?srsltid=AfmBOoo4zi4NY619ErO9PV-Qobf6ClOBK3kjuuVyboNxhoPNlHf8eN2V

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David and Ilan dive into the news from the last week of AI and Vibe Coding, covering shifting partnerships between tech giants, breakthrough achievements in AI capabilities, and emerging concerns around safety and security.

Sponsor
Querio - AI agent for natural language data insights
https://querio.ai

Chapters

• 00:00 - OpenAI Diversifies: $300B Oracle Cloud Deal 
• 03:15 - Microsoft Chooses Anthropic Over OpenAI for Office 
• 05:26 - Claude's New File Creation and Team Memory Features 
• 06:38 - Google Report: 15% Productivity Gains (With Caveats) 
• 08:54 - Child Safety Concerns with Meta's AI Characters 
• 10:06 - Breaking: GPT-4.5 Passes the Turing Test 
• 12:59 - AI Models Enter Fashion: Synthetic Vogue Campaign 
• 16:15 - Security Alert: Claude Used in $17M Extortion Scheme 

Links

• OpenAI to use Oracle for compute: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/openai-oracle-reportedly-ink-historic-190034718.html 
• Microsoft uses Anthropic for Office AI: https://www.reuters.com/business/microsoft-use-some-ai-anthropic-shift-openai-information-reports-2025-09-09/ 
• Claude can edit files: https://www.anthropic.com/news/create-files 
• Claude memory for teams: https://www.anthropic.com/news/memory 
• Google AI Cloud Trends Report: https://services.google.com/fh/files/misc/google_cloud_ai_trends.pdf 
• Meta AI safety report: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/meta-ai-chatbot-guidelines/ 
• Regulators investigating Meta: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/technology/google-meta-chatgpt-ai-chatbots.html 
• UC San Diego Turing Test Study: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2503.23674 
• Vogue AI model ad: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgeqe084nn4o 
• Vibe Hacking with Claude: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna227309 

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CHAPTERS
[00:00] Intro
[02:33] Defining problems using AI
[06:07] Generating hypotheses using AI
[12:30] The Mom Test
[15:04] Next Steps

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Querio - https://bit.ly/panc_querio

LINKS
The Mom Test - https://www.momtestbook.com/
Music by Oleksandr Savochka

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DESCRIPTION David and Ilan catch you up on the latest AI news, covering OpenAI's new budget tier, why 95% of AI projects fail, and Google's impressive new image generation capabilities.

• OpenAI's $5 "Go tier" expands AI access globally
• Small language models finding their niche in manufacturing
• MIT report reveals harsh reality: 95% of AI projects fail
• World models represent the next evolution beyond LLMs
• Google's Nano Banana delivers lightning-fast image generation

CHAPTERS 
[00:00] - OpenAI's Go Tier: $5 AI for Global Markets 
[06:13] - Latam-GPT: Regional AI for Latin America

[07:13] - Small Language Models vs. LLMs 
[12:34] - MIT Report: Why 95% of AI Projects Fail 
[16:43] - Accenture CEO's Red Flags for AI Adoption 
[20:33] - World Models: Beyond Language Understanding 
[26:12] - Google's Nano Banana Image Generation Demo

KEY LINKS

• Small language models 
  • https://www.wired.com/story/why-researchers-are-turning-to-small-language-models/
  • https://developers.googleblog.com/en/google-ai-edge-small-language-models-multimodality-rag-function-calling/
  • https://aimagazine.com/news/llms-vs-slms-how-ai-models-impact-sustainability
• World Models 
  • https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/aug/05/google-step-artificial-general-intelligence-deepmind-agi
  • https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/genie-3-a-new-frontier-for-world-models/
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyrDM3A_YFc&ab_channel=NVIDIADeveloper
  • Vsim https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/25/vsim-founded-by-nvidia-alums-raises-21-5m-for-robotics-simulation-tech/
• GPT Go 
  • https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/openai-chatgpt/openai-quietly-launches-chatgpt-go-in-limited-regions
  • https://x.com/btibor91/status/1955170910694183005
  • https://www.forbes.com/sites/rebeccasadwick/2020/06/22/how-to-price-products/
• Latam-GPT 
  • https://www.wired.com/story/latam-gpt-the-free-open-source-and-collaborative-ai-of-latin-america/
• 95% of AI project fail 
  • https://mlq.ai/media/quarterly_decks/v0.1_State_of_AI_in_Business_2025_Report.pdf
• Accenture CEO on failed AI projects 
  • https://fortune.com/2025/08/31/accenture-ceo-julie-sweet-ai-advice-success/
• Nano Banana
  • https://blog.google/products/gemini/updated-image-editing-model/

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Welcome to season 2! In this season, David and Ilan are exploring the process of becoming an AI native product team by building a product from scratch using AI tools along the way. This week, you’ll get to hear about how they’re thinking of building a product and how deep research does just a mediocre job at coming up with business ideas.

Chapters

00:13 Building in Public: The Journey Begins

03:36 Exploring Problem Discovery

10:54 Niche Markets and Personal Interests

15:30 Evaluating GPT-Generated Problems

24:53 Sustainability and Consumer Choices

31:29Exploring AI Tools for Discovery

LINKS

Ilan’s product for teachers: https://teachr.me/

Bastion Cycles: https://bastioncycles.com/

Allura Red - https://web.archive.org/web/20170502145045/https://www.fda.gov/downloads/AdvisoryCommittees/CommitteesMeetingMaterials/FoodAdvisoryCommittee/UCM248549.pdf

SPONSORS Co.Lab Build Co-Pilot – Turn your idea into a working product with your first customers pre-loaded

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Querio – Natural language analytics for your product team

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Music: Oleksandr Savochka