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AI is a consensus engine, and consensus on the internet is frequently wrong. So what does that mean for the people defending power plants, water systems, and factories with it?

In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow welcomes back Jori VanAntwerp, CEO and founder of EmberOT, for a completely unscripted conversation on AI in OT. Two practitioners who use AI aggressively every day make the case for restraint in exactly the places that matter.

Jori explains why human in the loop is non-negotiable: AI shapes a junior's output to look senior without the understanding underneath, so you have to be able to interrogate it. Aaron walks through his own sandbox discipline, where AI gets a folder and not the keys, and nothing goes in that he would not publish on the internet.

The conversation then turns to the OT reality behind AI-found vulnerabilities, why an attacker who can reach your HMI or PLC does not need your unpatched CVE, teaching AI your voice with markdown primers, the build-versus-buy MVP trap, the submarine principle for modular defense, and why an operator flipping to manual is still the save of last resort.

Underneath all of it is the workforce math nobody is doing on air: if one person plus AI does the work of five, nobody is training juniors, and no juniors today means no seniors in ten years. OT's aging-out workforce is the preview.

Tune in for the most honest AI conversation the show has had, from the people who actually run it in OT.

Jori VanAntwerp is a two-time cybersecurity founder and CEO who has spent over two decades helping industrial and IT/OT organizations reduce risk, strengthen compliance, and mature the way they defend critical infrastructure. He has held executive and leadership roles at McAfee, FireEye, CrowdStrike, Dragos, and Gravwell before stepping into the founder seat, first at SynSaber and now as the Founder and CEO at EmberOT. The result is a vantage point that runs from the boardroom to the packet capture, from silicon to the cloud. At EmberOT, he is focused on bringing visibility, security, and risk quantification to the critical infrastructure the rest of the world takes for granted.

Want to see what is really happening in your OT environment? EmberOT provides flow-first, passive OT visibility and threat detection without requiring proprietary hardware.

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What started with 120 people and a homemade Word flyer has grown into a cybersecurity community of more than 3,000. So what does it take to build a community that can scale without losing its personal connection?

In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow sits down with Michael Farnum, CEO and co-founder of CYBR.SEC.Community, and Sam Van Ryder, co-founder and an OT sales expert, to explore the story behind the growth of CYBR.SEC.CON and the community surrounding it.

Michael and Sam share how they went from a grassroots cybersecurity gathering to a thriving community while keeping the relationships and sense of connection that made the event special in the first place.

The conversation goes beyond conferences. Aaron, Michael, and Sam discuss the challenges facing people trying to break into cybersecurity and OT, why entry-level opportunities can be difficult to find, and what experienced professionals can do to help develop the next generation of cyber defenders.

They also share their hands-on efforts to introduce young people to cybersecurity, including bringing 75 high school students into the community, with plans to reach 150.

From hiring and firing lessons to career advice, community building, and the future of OT cybersecurity, this episode offers practical insight for anyone looking to grow their career, build meaningful connections, or help strengthen the cybersecurity workforce.

CYBR.SEC.CON 2026 brings the cybersecurity community together again on September 15 and 16 at the George R. Brown Convention Center in Houston, Texas.

If you're looking to connect with cybersecurity professionals, expand your network, learn from practitioners, discover career opportunities, and be part of a growing cyber community, CYBR.SEC.CON 2026 is an event worth checking out.

Tune in to hear the story behind CYBR.SEC.CON, the people building the community, and why the future of cybersecurity depends on bringing more people into the conversation.

Michael Farnum is the CEO and co-founder of CYBR.SEC.Community and has worked in IT and cybersecurity since 1994. He founded HOU.SEC.CON. in 2010, which evolved into CYBR.SEC.CON., now attracting more than 3,000 cybersecurity professionals annually. Michael is passionate about cybersecurity community building, workforce development, education, and career development, and is a frequent speaker and podcaster on security leadership and industry trends.

Sam Van Ryder is the CoFounder of CYBR.SEC.Community and Director of Strategic Accounts at Dragos. With more than 20 years of experience spanning mechanical engineering and technology sales, including over a decade focused on ICS and OT security, Sam brings deep industry expertise and a strong passion for cybersecurity community building. He is also a co-founder of HOU.SEC.CON., now CYBR.SEC.CON., which has grown into a major regional cybersecurity gathering.

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AI has made it easier than ever to build a cybersecurity product. But has it also made it harder to build a valuable cybersecurity company?

In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow sits down with Ken Elefant, Founding Managing Director of the venture group at Sorenson Capital, for a candid conversation about what really makes cybersecurity startups succeed.

Ken shares a venture investor's perspective on the rapidly changing security market, including why simply wrapping a product around an LLM may not create lasting value, how AI is accelerating commoditization, and what founders need to do to build a meaningful competitive advantage.

The conversation goes beyond technology to explore the often-overlooked role of people, process, market positioning, and execution. Aaron and Ken discuss the importance of finding the right "wedge" into enterprise security, solving real customer problems, differentiating in crowded markets, and building companies that can create lasting value rather than chasing the latest technology trend.

They also draw on lessons from successful cybersecurity exits and the changing threat landscape to examine what investors are looking for as AI reshapes both cybersecurity products and the businesses behind them.

Key Learning: 

Key Moments: 

03:43 Using AI in podcasting

07:41 Trusting vendors and cybersecurity risks

10:59 Building Connections for Early Investments

15:19 Investing in emerging tech markets

17:45 Supporting AI-based startup growth

20:19 Building simple websites for businesses

26:03 Attracted to boring, overlooked markets

27:21 Building compliance products at Industrial Defender

30:16 Investing in defense tech startups

33:20 Experienced founders leveraging AI for products

38:32 Navigating fast-changing tech landscape

40:09 Importance of Building Trust in Business

Whether you're a cybersecurity founder, investor, security practitioner, technology leader, or entrepreneur, this episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at how experienced investors evaluate innovation in one of the fastest-moving areas of technology.

Tune in to hear what separates a promising cybersecurity idea from a company capable of creating lasting value.

DISCLAIMER : "Any portfolio companies mentioned in this episode are investments of Sorenson Capital funds and do not represent all fund investments. A complete list of investments is available upon request. This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not constitute an offer to sell or solicitation to buy securities."

About the guest : 

Ken Elefant is a forward-thinking venture investor with a deep interest in how artificial intelligence is transforming society and business. Ken has focused on vertical applications of AI, like Jump.ai, a portfolio company that streamlines manual work for wealth managers. By backing companies that implement AI in targeted, thoughtful ways, Ken aims to help professionals become more efficient and better prepared, reflecting his belief that AI’s true value lies in practical, well-executed solutions.

How to connect Ken:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenelefant/ 

Kencrypted newsletter: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/kencrypted-7307431988703940608/  

Sorenson team page: https://www.sorensoncapital.com/team/ken-elefant/

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Offshore oil and gas operations don't have the luxury of simply shutting everything down and starting over.

In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow sits down with Josh Herr and Matt McLendon to explore the real-world challenges of modernizing cybersecurity and technology in offshore operational technology (OT) environments.

From million-dollar equipment and aging control systems to virtualization, containers, and edge computing, this conversation reveals what it actually takes to keep critical industrial operations running when technology fails, hardware is difficult to replace, and downtime can come at an enormous cost.

Aaron, Josh, and Matt share stories from the field, including the creative decisions operators sometimes have to make to keep one rig running when another goes down. They also explore the gradual shift from legacy Windows and Sun workstations toward Linux, containerization, and newer approaches to managing industrial systems.

But this isn't simply a conversation about replacing old technology with new technology. It's about understanding the realities of OT cybersecurity, where reliability, availability, safety, cost, and security all have to work together.

Key Learning: 

Key Moments:
06:16 Frustrations with vendor costs and delays

09:34 Offshore connectivity and autonomy challenges

13:02 Managing power plants across Texas

16:19 Challenges with industrial HMIs and alarms

19:40 Vendor control and security policies

21:16 Component delays and industry characters

24:08 Final integration testing and safety factors

28:20 Vendor management challenges with outdated tech

34:02 Missing sysadmin skills in industry

35:59 Challenges with ARM architecture

41:09 Managing hardware life cycles

44:23 Concerns about AI and open source

45:43 Future of JavaScript and integration

Whether you work in oil and gas, industrial cybersecurity, critical infrastructure, engineering, or OT operations, this episode offers an honest look at the gap between cybersecurity theory and what actually works in the field.

Listen in for the war stories, lessons learned, and "art of the possible" approaches helping bring modern technology into some of the world's most challenging OT environments.

About the guests: 

Matt is a multidisciplinary team leader and technology practitioner with experience spanning electrical systems, controls, automation, data systems, and IS/IT. His background includes offshore oil and gas electronics, systems administration, and computer hardware, with a strong emphasis on troubleshooting and component-level repair. Matt has led diverse technical teams in fast-paced, mission-critical environments, where collaboration, clarity, and effective problem-solving are essential.

Contact Matt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewamclendon/

Josh is a software engineer and technology architect with more than a decade of experience designing and building systems across desktop applications, cloud infrastructure, and modern cybersecurity environments. His background spans multiple technology verticals and industries, giving him a practical, cross-functional perspective on how organizations secure complex systems at every layer of the technology stack. Josh brings deep expertise in software engineering, cloud architecture, and cybersecurity strategy, with a focus on helping organizations navigate evolving security challenges without sacrificing operational performance. His work combines hands-on technical knowledge with a strong understanding of how security, infrastructure, and business priorities intersect in real-world environments.

Contact Josh: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshua-herr-ba4bba54/

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AI agents are becoming more autonomous - but are they becoming more secure?

In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow welcomes David Girvin for a timely discussion about one of the fastest-growing challenges in cybersecurity: AI agent security and governance.

From an unconventional career as a ship captain to building one of the first governance platforms for AI agents, David shares why organizations must begin treating AI agents as powerful digital coworkers with permissions, identities, and risks that require the same level of oversight as human employees.

Together, Aaron and David explore how autonomous AI systems can unintentionally create business risk, why credential starvation, execution-layer security, and human-in-the-loop controls are becoming essential, and how organizations can safely adopt AI without sacrificing security.

In this episode, you'll learn:

Key Moments: 

05:31 Career paths and diverse experiences

06:24 Startup experiences and mentoring journey

09:30 Exploring a career shift to marketing

15:30 Building a Successful Career

18:20 Governance and AI risks

19:24 Early AI research and presentation

23:19 Just-in-time tokens discussion

27:52 Balancing work, family, and startup challenges

30:48 Transitioning from Operations to Events

35:18 Industry friendships and shared experiences

36:04 Work stress and job challenges

39:49 Securing AI systems and LLM inputs

43:46 Developing AI observability tools

47:56 Managing session risk and autonomy levels

51:14 Security and file management controls

55:34 Cybersecurity awareness chat

Whether you're building AI applications, leading cybersecurity programs, or simply exploring how AI will change your business, this episode offers practical insights into securing the next generation of intelligent systems.

Tune in to learn how organizations can embrace AI innovation while keeping people, data, and critical systems protected.

About the guest :
David Girvin is a cybersecurity leader, security architect, and Founder & CEO of Assury.ai, where he is building execution-level governance for AI agents. With leadership experience at companies including 1Password, Red Canary, and Sumo Logic, David has spent his career helping organizations strengthen security, architecture, and AI strategy. He specializes in making complex cybersecurity and AI concepts practical and accessible, helping businesses adopt emerging technologies securely and responsibly.

Links to connect David: 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-a-girvin/ 

Website: https://assury.ai

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AI is changing cybersecurity at an incredible pace. But are organizations prepared for the risks that come with it?

In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow sits down with Brian Schleifer, an industry veteran with decades of experience spanning the military, technology, consulting, defense, and critical infrastructure.

Aaron and Brian explore what it really takes to adopt AI responsibly across IT and OT cybersecurity. Beyond the technology itself, they examine the human side of security, including communication, collaboration, accountability, and the skills needed to make new technologies work in the real world.

The conversation also tackles the growing challenges of AI governance, shadow AI, continuous monitoring, and cyber-physical resilience. Rather than treating AI as a magic solution, Brian offers a practical perspective on how organizations can be intentional about where and how they use AI while preparing for the disruptions it may create.

Key Learnings: 

Key Moments: 

05:22 Working in tech and cybersecurity

07:23 Importance of people skills in business

10:20 Importance of Listening First

14:31 Implementing Machine Learning Thoughtfully

16:44 Importance of Human Oversight in AI

20:21 Discussing security and human accountability

24:24 Publishing a book with AI tools

27:47 Future of computing technology

31:39 Focusing on disaster recovery strategies

35:27 Budgeting Challenges with Emerging Tech

38:00 Focus on proactive security planning

40:40 Evaluating cybersecurity effectiveness

45:49 Challenges in incident response logistics

47:33 Talking about Security Week events

Whether you're a cybersecurity leader, OT professional, technology executive, or simply trying to understand what AI means for the future of security, this episode offers practical perspectives on navigating the change without losing sight of what matters most.

Listen to the latest episode of Protect It All and discover how organizations can embrace AI while building the trust, accountability, and resilience needed to protect what matters.

About the Guest : 

Brian "SchleiF" Schleifer is a retired United States Air Force veteran, cybersecurity professional, content leader, and owner of PAVE Consulting LLC, which provides digital content creation and cybersecurity consulting. Through PAVE Consulting, he currently supports SecurityWeek as Director of Content and Events, helping lead conferences, podcasts, webinars, and executive-level cybersecurity programming. Brian previously served in senior cybersecurity engineering and leadership roles at Modern Technology Solutions Inc. His experience includes cyber-physical and weapon systems security, security control assessment, cyber testing, risk management, and AI governance. He is pursuing a Doctor of Technology at Purdue University, where his research focuses on adaptive cybersecurity policy for AI-enabled systems. He is also the creator of the Adaptive Artificial Intelligence Risk and Assurance Framework, or AAIRAF. With more than 10,000 hours of public speaking, instruction, and panel moderation experience, Brian is known for making complex cybersecurity, technology, and risk topics practical and accessible.

Important links to connect Brian: 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-schleifer/ 

SecurityWeek: https://www.securityweek.com/ 

SecurityWeek TV: https://www.youtube.com/@SecurityWeek-TV 

PAVE YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@P.A.V.E. 

AI Risk Summit: https://www.airisksummit.com/ 

ICS Cyber Conference: https://www.icscybersecurityconference.com/ 

PAVE email: [email protected]

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Effective OT penetration testing isn't just about finding vulnerabilities, it's about building trust.

In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow is joined by Oren Niskin and Reynaldo Gonzalez for an engaging discussion on the evolving role of penetration testing in operational technology (OT) environments.

Drawing from years of experience in industrial operations, IT, and OT cybersecurity, Oren and Reynaldo explain why successful OT security assessments require far more than technical expertise. They explore how trust, communication, and collaboration help bridge the gap between security teams and operations, making penetration testing a valuable business tool rather than something to fear.

The conversation also highlights the importance of diverse career paths, hands-on learning, and mentoring the next generation of cybersecurity professionals. From network segmentation and risk communication to creating realistic lab environments, this episode offers practical lessons for anyone responsible for securing critical infrastructure.

Key Learnings: 

Key Moments: 

07:00 Oren's technology and security approach

15:04 Discussing network security measures

19:16 Building Trust in Business Relationships

26:17 Understanding and planning security architecture

30:16 Network management and rule assessment

33:39 Managing and Assessing Tool Overload

38:39 Analyzing tool overlap and complementarity

48:41 Building a trusting team culture

49:48 Encouraging Open Communication

56:34 Getting into cybersecurity without IT experience

01:04:56 Entry-level ICS training courses

Whether you're an OT engineer, penetration tester, security leader, or just beginning your cybersecurity journey, this episode delivers practical insights into protecting industrial environments while building stronger relationships across teams.

Tune in to discover why the most successful OT penetration tests don't just identify vulnerabilities they build trust, strengthen teams, and improve security for the long term.

About the guests: 

Oren Niskin is Principal OT Security Engineer at GuidePoint Security. His 20-year arc runs from the US Navy as a Nuclear Electrician's Mate, to Electronics Technician on offshore drilling rigs, to office OT/IT management, to OT cybersecurity consulting at EY, and now into OT cyber engineering at GuidePoint. He also runs Packets Or It Didn't Happen, a YouTube livestream where he builds a factory-realistic PLC and HMI training kit on camera (the open-source PLC Trainer Kit), aimed at helping newcomers get hands-on with OT for under $500.

Link to connect Oren Niskin:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/orenniskin/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PacketsOrItDidntHappen

PLC Trainer Kit (GitHub): https://github.com/oniskin/PLC-Trainer-Kit

LinkedIn Group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/17708001/

Reynaldo Gonzalez is a recognized cybersecurity thought leader with 18+ years of experience helping organizations strengthen cyber resilience and secure critical infrastructure. His expertise spans cybersecurity strategy, IT/OT security, AI security, risk management, and digital transformation, complemented by a passion for education, innovation, and industry collaboration.

Link to connect Reynaldo Gonzalez: 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/reynaldoglz/

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The biggest cybersecurity challenge isn't technology - it's people.

In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow welcomes Swapnil Kachave for an insightful conversation about what it really takes to build high-performing cybersecurity teams in an era of AI, automation, and increasing cyber threats.

Having built and led Security Operations Center (SOC) teams across five industries, Swapnil shares why successful cybersecurity programs are driven by leadership, communication, and continuous learning - not just the latest tools.

Together, Aaron and Swapnil explore the growing impact of alert fatigue, burnout, workforce development, and the changing role of AI in modern security operations. They also discuss why "people debt" can become just as dangerous as technical debt and how organizations can create resilient teams prepared for the future.

Key Moments: 

Whether you're leading a SOC, managing cybersecurity programs, or just beginning your security career, this episode delivers practical leadership lessons that extend far beyond technology.

Key Moments: 

06:04 Dealing with alert fatigue

07:55 Navigating SOC career growth

13:54 From network admin to new opportunities

14:41 Diverse career path overview

21:02 Translating tech issues for executives

23:41 Importance of Soft Skills in Tech

25:50 Prioritizing practical knowledge over trends

31:03 Prototyping and learning new skills

35:26 Using AI to validate ideas

37:57 Human awareness vs. tech evolution

41:32 Quality assurance in AI responses

42:40 Discussing AI system reliability

46:05 Accelerating processes with AI tools

Tune in to discover why investing in people is still the most effective cybersecurity strategy - only on Protect It All.

About the guest : 

Swapnil Kachave is a cybersecurity operations leader with extensive experience building and leading Security Operations Center (SOC) teams across five industries. Passionate about developing people as much as technology, Swapnil specializes in security operations, incident response, and leadership development. They focus on helping organizations build resilient cybersecurity teams by balancing technical excellence with communication, mentorship, and continuous learning in an increasingly AI-driven world.

How to connect Swapnil: 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/swapniilkachave/

Website: https://www.optiv.com/=

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Some of the biggest cybersecurity threats to critical infrastructure aren't new - they've simply never gone away.

In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow welcomes back Lesley Carhart for a fascinating conversation about why decades-old malware like Conficker continues to infect operational technology (OT) environments around the world.

Drawing on nearly two decades of industrial incident response experience, they share real-world stories from the front lines of critical infrastructure, explaining why legacy systems, operational constraints, and workforce shortages continue to make remediation incredibly challenging. The discussion goes far beyond "just patch it," exploring the difficult risk decisions organizations face when uptime, safety, and cybersecurity all compete for priority.

Aaron and Lesley also examine one of the industry's most pressing issues: the growing shortage of OT cybersecurity talent and the need to rebuild foundational technical skills for the next generation of defenders. 

Key Learnings: 

Key Moments: 

05:47 Challenges with Old Industrial Systems

06:58 Struggles with malware cleanup

11:02 Challenges in Cyber Security Careers

16:19 Dealing with malware spread

17:53 Managing infection risk long-term

23:04 Challenges with nuclear hardware upgrades

27:05 Training the Next Tech Generation

29:33 Importance of Computer Basics

34:04 Discovering hidden technical issues

37:01 Troubleshooting in industrial environments

39:10 Malware and botnets era

42:20 Developing low-touch security solutions

Whether you're responsible for manufacturing, utilities, energy, transportation, or any critical infrastructure environment, this episode provides practical insight into one of OT cybersecurity's longest-running challenges.

Tune in to discover why yesterday's malware is still creating today's biggest industrial cybersecurity problems - and what organizations can do about it.

About the guest : 

Lesley Carhart is a Principal Industrial Incident Responder at Dragos and a recognized expert in OT and industrial cybersecurity. With nearly two decades of experience in incident response, digital forensics, and threat hunting, they help organizations defend critical infrastructure from cyber threats targeting industrial control systems. Lesley is also a respected speaker, instructor, and advocate for cybersecurity education, regularly sharing their expertise with industry professionals and the next generation of defenders.

How to connect Lesley: 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lcarhart/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/hacks4pancakes

Bluesky : https://bsky.app/profile/hacks4pancakes.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hacks4pancakes/

Website: https://tisiphone.net/

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The biggest challenge in OT cybersecurity isn't technology - it's earning trust.

In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow sits down with Jacob McCune, a cybersecurity architect with more than 20 years of hands-on experience across both IT and OT environments.

Jacob shares his unconventional journey from the help desk to securing critical infrastructure, highlighting the lessons that only real-world experience can teach. Together, Aaron and Jacob explore why communication, collaboration, and trust are often the deciding factors between successful cybersecurity programs and failed initiatives.

The conversation also dives into the future of OT security, examining how AI, cloud technologies, and evolving architectures are changing industrial environments and why organizations need to rethink traditional approaches while keeping operational realities front and center.

Key Learning: 

Key Moments: 

05:18 Building a Power Plant Team

09:06 Balancing cybersecurity with business needs

11:01 Avoiding project delays during downtime

16:04 Importance of Broad Experience

17:59 A mentor's lesson on teamwork

23:41 Challenges with job postings and requirements

26:27 Managing risk and resource challenges

29:59 Helping Your Compliance Team

33:12 Dad's long career and expertise

36:44 Discussing cybersecurity risk management

39:44 Cloud resources and AI discussions

41:08 Exploring future solutions and technologies

Whether you're building an OT security program, managing critical infrastructure, or looking to grow your cybersecurity career, this episode delivers practical lessons from years of real-world experience.

Tune in to discover why people, trust, and communication remain the most valuable assets in modern cybersecurity only on Protect It All.

About the guest: 

Jacob McCune is a cybersecurity architect with more than 20 years of experience across IT and OT environments, helping organizations secure critical infrastructure through practical, real-world security strategies. From starting his career on the help desk to designing enterprise security architectures, Jacob has built a reputation for bridging the gap between IT and OT through collaboration, communication, and trust. He is passionate about helping organizations move beyond compliance to build resilient cybersecurity programs that protect both people and operations.

Links to connect Jacob : 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jake-mccune-33a08984/ 

CornCon Cybersecurity Conference : https://corncon.net/

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