Ellie and Carrie discuss the darker side to matrilineal fame, including some of Mommy's cancellations. Also explored are Carrie's desire for fame in her own right versus Ellie's need for privacy, and how an extended period of isolation and an altercation with a neighbor in East Hampton prompted Carrie's quest for Internet celebrity. Other topics include wanting to "be good," building resiliency skills at the Child Mind Institute, mosaic wart clusters, and the fame revenge fantasy at the core of Taylor Swift’s 2010 hit “Mean.” Works cited are A. Giddens’ “Modernity and Self-Identity in the Late Modern Age," Christopher Lasch’s “culture of narcissism,” and Evelyn Brooks Higginbotham’s “metalanguage of race.”