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On "Knowledge First Epistemology" (2011), "Justifications, Excuses, and Sceptical Scenarios" (2015), and "Morally Loaded Cases in Philosophy" (2019).

Is knowledge basic, or is it dissolvable into more basic ingredients such as justification, truth, and belief? Williamson argues that these latter things should instead be defined in terms of knowledge.

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Evan pushes the experiment one step further, sending his AI voice agent to talk to his closest friends and family — his buddies, his daughters, his dad. With their alternately joyful, skeptical, and painful reactions to meeting an AI version of him, he tries to come to terms with what generative AI means in this machine-made age.Shell Game is made by humans. More specifically, it's made by three humans: Evan Ratliff (host and writer), Sophie Bridges (producer), and Samantha Henig (executive producer). Visit shellgame.co to find out more and support the show.

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This week’s issue of The New Yorker is an archival issue, and we’d like to accompany it with an episode of the Writer’s Voice featuring an archival story: “The Naturals,” by Sam Lipsyte, which was published in the May 5, 2014, issue of the magazine. Lipsyte is the author of eight books of fiction, including the story collection “The Fun Parts,” “The Ask,” and “No One Left to Come Looking for You,” which was published in 2022.  

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Will AI bots replace humans in the workforce? Could one replace Evan… right now? That’s what we tackle on this week’s Shell Game, in which Evan sees just how much of his job his voice agent can handle on his behalf. Shell Game is made by humans. More specifically, it's made by three humans: Evan Ratliff (host and writer), Sophie Bridges (producer), and Samantha Henig (executive producer). Visit shellgame.co to find out more and support the show. New episodes drop on Tuesdays.

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Caleb Crain reads his story “Clay,” from the August 12, 2024, issue of the magazine. Crain is the author of one book of nonfiction and two novels, “Necessary Errors,” which was a finalist for the Lambda Literary Award, and “Overthrow,” which was published in 2019.

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Last fall, Zadie Smith published her prescient historical novel The Fraud. We return to our conversation with the beloved author this week, on the heels of our latest sit-down with writer Taffy Brodesser-Akner.

At the top, Smith details her most recent book (7:48), her instinctive writing process (13:37), and the role of projection in her work (20:08). Then, Zadie reflects on her upbringing in North West London (23:48), the art that influenced her growing up (26:42), and the media circus that followed the publication of her debut novel, White Teeth (31:28).

On the back-half, we discuss her desire to frequently reinvent herself as an artist as a writer (41:53), why she prioritized pleasure after her book On Beauty (45:24), her evolving relationship to humanism (48:06), the nuanced politics of her work (54:13), a striking passage from Intimations (1:01:56), and what she sees in this next generation of novelists (1:04:55).

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Evan looks into the depths of his AI-powered voice agent by sending it on a new mission: going to therapy. Shell Game is made by humans. More specifically, it's made by three humans: Evan Ratliff (host and writer), Sophie Bridges (producer), and Samantha Henig (executive producer). Visit shellgame.co to find out more and support the show. New episodes drop on Tuesdays.

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Nell Freudenberger reads her story “Attila,” from the August 5, 2024, issue of the magazine. Freudenberger is the author of five books of fiction, including the novels “Lost and Wanted” and “The Limits,” which was published earlier this year. She was included in The New Yorker’s “20 Under 40” Fiction Issue in 2010.

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Some of the topics mentioned in this episode:

– Victoria’s newsletter Horace & Friends

– What is a poetry magazine for? by Victoria Moul

– On being underwhelmed by Victoria Moul

– On poetry for children by Victoria Moul

– Self-Portait as Othello by Jason Allen-Paisant

– Ion by Plato

– Julia Donaldson

– The Man with Night Sweats by Thom Gunn

– The Burning Babe by Robert Southwall

– Poems of Mr. John Milton (1645)

– Shearsman

– The Interpreter

– Francois Fenelon

– Philip Gross

– To Lucasta, Going to the Wars by Richard Lovelace

– The Highwayman by Alfred Noyes

Frequently mentioned names:

– Joshua Mehigan

– Shane McCrae

– A. E. Stallings

– Ryan Wilson

– Morri Creech

– Austin Allen

– Jonathan Farmer

– Zara Raab

– Amit Majmudar

– Ethan McGuire

– Coleman Glenn

– Alexis Sears

– JP Gritton

– Alex Pepple

– Ernie Hilbert

– Joanna Pearson

Other Ratbag Poetry Pods:

Poetry Says by Alice Allan

I Hate Matt Wall by Matt Wall

Versecraft by Elijah Blumov

Ratbag Poetics By David Jalal Motamed

Alice: Poetry Says

Brian: @BPlatzer

Cameron: CameronWTC [at] hotmail [dot] com

Matthew: sleerickets [at] gmail [dot] com

Music by ETRNL

Art by Daniel Alexander Smith

Evan takes his experiment in a new direction by having his AI-powered voice agent converse with … another of his AI-powered voice agents. What can these surreal and hilarious conversations between two AI incarnations of Evan Ratliff tell us about identity, authenticity, and the best and worst of human interaction? Enter this digital hall of mirrors to find out.Shell Game is made by humans. More specifically, it's made by three humans: Evan Ratliff (host and writer), Sophie Bridges (producer), and Samantha Henig (executive producer). Visit shellgame.co to find out more and support the show. New episodes drop on Tuesdays.

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