In today's podcast, we're between us again, and we're gonna talk about that famous programming language called PHP. PHP has quite a long history already, and for some reason, it doesn't have a great reputation among some developers who consider it a thing of the past. So, is PHP still a thing? Or to be blunter, is PHP dead? To answer that question, I asked two of the best PHP people I know to join me today: Wouter Sioen and Jonas Drieghe, both software engineers at madewithlove, the latter slowly becoming a regular on this podcast.