Bill Pain speaks to Ella Turney, temporarily domiciled in Jordan, about the differing approaches she's seen implemented in Jordan and in the UK in response to the coronavirus pandemic, as well as reflecting on the easing of lockdown measures in the Middle East; next, Bill moves onto discuss the wider issue gripping the UK at the moment, discussing the importance, or lack thereof, of statues and what it means for the Black Lives Matter movement to see comprehensive changes occurring up and down the country in the response to protests. Former Durham University Conservative Association President Jack Perry and Labour Club member Declan Merrington come on to the show to provide some healthy debate on the matter. Later on the show, Mirabelle Otuoze is a guest, reflecting on her enormously important podcast and Tab article on micro-aggressions experienced by people of colour around Durham University, as well as the current BLM protests.