Episode: Speaking the Place: How Language Changes the Way You Travel
Guest: Hari Gunda
A Boren Scholar and Gilman Research Scholar at the University of Alabama with a dual degree in Data Science and Foreign Languages & Literature.Study and work experience in the U.S., Indonesia, and GermanyFocused on sustainable development and conservation research
Indonesia Beyond Bali
While many travellers immediately associate Indonesia with Bali, this episode challenges that narrow lens. Hari shares how his interest stemmed from:
Indonesia’s linguistic diversity (700+ regional languages)
Its role in climate diplomacy
The capital relocation project
Its global importance in mangrove conservation
Marine biodiversity and conservation research
Indonesia emerges not as a backdrop for tourism, but as a complex, globally significant nation.
Why Bahasa Indonesia?
Written in the Latin script
No grammatical gender
No noun cases
No tonal system (unlike Vietnamese or Thai)
Straightforward verb structures
For English speakers interested in Southeast Asia, Bahasa Indonesia offers accessibility without sacrificing depth.
The Power of Immersion
Hari compares:
German Immersion in the U.S. (Portland State University)
German-only dorm
Tight-knit language community
B1 certification achieved in under two months
Indonesian Immersion via the Boren Scholarship
Host family living
Cultural electives (dance, music, singing)
Daily intensive language classes
Real-world application beyond the classroom structure
The takeaway: immersion is about ecosystem design, not just location.
When Language Clicks
Language fluency doesn’t arrive in one dramatic moment.
It builds through:
Difficult conversations
Explaining abstract ideas (like the U.S. Electoral College in Indonesian)
Teaching peers
Gossiping at the dinner table
Making mistakes
Mistakes, like confusing teman (friend) and taman (park), become bonding points rather than failures.
Language and Reciprocity
Speaking Bahasa Indonesia enabled:
Deep conversations with conservation workers
Invitations inside a marine national park office
Meaningful dialogue about sustainability
Stronger personal relationships
Language shifts travel from consumption to reciprocity.
Career Impact
Hari’s experience at Planet Indonesia in West Kalimantan opened doors to:
Conservation data science
Fieldwork in villages along the Kapuas River
Marine ecosystem research
Environmental economics in Germany
Ongoing research proposals related to Indonesian conservation conflict
Travel didn’t dictate his path; it expanded it.
Cultural Lessons Brought Home
Take greetings seriously.
Ask better questions.
Listen intentionally.
Replace “no” with “not yet.”
Language shapes mindset.
Final Reflection
Travel becomes transformative when we:
Speak with people, not just about places
Move beyond influencer itineraries
Choose curiosity over comfort
Accept imperfection in language
Prioritise attention over fluency
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