Will Europe fill the defence vacuum left by the American withdrawal of support for the war in Ukraine?  What will a mineral deal between Ukraine and America look like? Richard and Yalda get together on the week of the third anniversary of the full scale invasion of Ukraine to discuss these questions and more.  

Richard records from a bombed-out hotel in Odesa in the south of Ukraine where he has spent the week talking to those in the military and civilians to get their reaction to Trump beginning peace talks with Putin. Yalda reports on her latest discussions with diplomats and politicians from across the world. 

The two of them also talk about the recent German election which saw the far-right AfD become the second largest party in the country. 

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