After almost 18 years as a driving force behind ILBIJERRI Theatre Company Rachael Maza will step down from her role as Artistic Director and Co-CEO at the end of 2025.

Rachael shares how her time at ILBIJERRI shaped her ideas of Blak theatre, and what she plans to do next.

Then Jem Cassar-Daley plays live in the Radio National studios for Mob Music Month and explains why she makes music with the people she loves. 

Plus for Word Up, Yankunytjatjara speakers Karina Lester and her daughter Larissa share a word that describes a precious commodity on their Country.