Our guest on this episode of With, not, For is author, podcaster, producer and storyteller, Rojé Augustin. Rojé is a native New York based in Sydney. In this conversation Rojé and Manisha talk candidly about racism, it's cost to the workforce and what we can do about it. 

Read the full transcript here: https://centreforinclusivedesign.org.au/index.php/featured/2022/04/12/ep-9-racism-the-cost-to-the-workforce-and-what-we-can-do/

Find more of Rojés' writing on the costs of racism in her ABC article: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-03/racism-costing-the-australian-economy-billions/100252786

Listen to her exploration of the relationship between creatives and their workspaces on her podcast The Right Space: https://therightspace-show.squarespace.com/introduction