The firestorm that has engulfed 2024's first Presidential debate is still burning. We needed a cool head in the room, to consider the aftermath of President Joe Biden's performance vs. former President Donald Trump. That calming voice, came in the form of the Chicago Tribune's Ray Long. During this episode, Lissa & Thom work through the complications of an aging White House with a much-lauded journalist who knows the game of politics. J. R. R. Tolkien fans will enjoy this journey to Helm's Deep.