Aaron and James talk about giving poetry readings and processing shame.

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Check out Yona Harvey's website here

You can check out the creative nonfiction journal Fourth Genre here. 

Watch the interview with Cher on The Letterman Show (around 3:57).

The reference to the "God Warrior" is to Marguerite Perrin, who once appeared on the television reality show Trading Spouses, which selected mothers from extreme opposite families and swapped them with one another—then filmed the fireworks.