In episode 124 of Blue Collar StartUp, hosts Mike and Derek chat with Codey Gandy of Echelon Front as he breaks down what real leadership looks like in the trades, and why most people get it wrong. From extreme ownership to building strong relationships, this conversation is packed with practical insights for anyone looking to grow a team or business.

You can find Codey Gandy and learn more about his work at Echelon Front on their website at echelonfront.com or connect with him on Instagram @codey.gandy.

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0:00 Intro and welcome

2:00 Mission behind the show and scholarships

4:10 Introducing Codey Gandy

4:40 Codey’s background and Echelon Front overview

6:00 Experiential leadership training explained

7:30 Why stress reveals true leadership traits

9:00 The problem with traditional training

10:30 Sustainability and long-term leadership growth

11:30 What “extreme ownership” actually means

13:00 Leadership vs authority

14:30 Applying ownership as an employee

16:00 Real impact of extreme ownership in business

17:30 Fixing underperforming team members

19:00 Why relationships matter in leadership

21:00 Transitioning from worker to leader

23:00 Why most leaders are set up to fail

25:00 Learning leadership before promotion

30:00 Leadership applications

40:00 Advanced leadership mindset shifts

48:00 Final thoughts and shift to Patreon segment