Swiping for Something Real with Pieter Niemann
In today's epsiode- our guest, Pieter Niemann, joins Vanessa to speak about relationships and connections with the added context of Pieter's book, publishing on October 1st, 2026, Swiping for Something Real.
**Dear listeners--you may notice some sound quality issues in this episode-- for which we apologize!, This was a great conversation, so despite some backgroun echo--we wanted to go ahead, even if sound isn't perfect-- we are "Real Over Ideal" after all.
Anyhow...on today's episode, Vanessa speaks with Pieter Niemann, a writer based in Zurich with training in mental health, about why modern dating and connection feel so exhausting.
Vanessa and Pieter dig into the difference between being wanted and being known, how apps can create the illusion of connection, and why authenticity matters more than performance in relationships.
They also explore neurodivergence, masking neurodivergent traits, disclosure, and the role of self-knowledge in building better romantic and platonic relationships. Pieter shares how his own life experience shaped the ideas in his upcoming book, Swiping for Something Real.
Key topics
- In this episode: why names matter as an early form of identity and connection
- Pieter explains the difference between being wanted and being known
- The conversation critiques dating apps as catalogs and introductions, not the relationship itself
- Vanessa shares a dating story and the shift from seeking approval to seeking connection
- How instant gratification culture makes relationships feel harder to build
- Pieter talks about how apps can be useful for safety and community, especially for queer people
- The episode explores disclosure around autism, neurodivergence, and being misunderstood
- Pieter describes how rules, structure, and learned social scripts shaped his life
- Vanessa and Pieter discuss masking, overstimulation, and the importance of authenticity
- The closing theme: build your own life, identity, and community first, then invite others in
Timestamps
(00:00) Meet Pieter Niemann and the conversation about relationships
(02:22) The meaning of a name and why identity matters
(05:21) Why connection has become harder in the age of screens
(08:13) Being wanted versus being known
(12:27) What dating apps are good for and where they fall short
(15:06) Why asking what someone is looking for can be too binary
(19:49) Dating apps as catalogs, not authentic connection
(21:56) Why in-person chemistry reveals more than profile matching
(22:38) Deciding whether and when to disclose autism
(24:28) What it feels like when people see autism as a flaw
(27:27) Identity, judgment, and the fear of being misunderstood
(30:24) Learning social rules, structure, and self-management
(32:23) From dancing to acting to therapy work: learning connection through practice
(36:46) Masking and the cognitive effort of moving through the world
(38:14) Authenticity, overstimulation, and asking for what you need
(42:32) Introversion, nervous energy, and managing connection
(45:33) Knowing your limits in relationships
(47:03) Build your life first, then invite people in
(49:31) Dating as a season, not a waiting room
(51:07) Pieter shares the book and how to preorder it
Pieter Niemann can be reached here:
https://pieterniemann.com/
https://www.instagram.com/pieter_niemann_author/
Pieter is the author of Swiping for Something Real out on October 1st, 2026. It is presently available for preorder.
Pieter is based in Zurich and writes about connection, loneliness, and what it means to be human from inside the experiences he explores.
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