“I am changed forever by kindness”, “Women leaders give other women another possibility of being a woman”, “Leadership means passing on” and “All my life I have been led by women” - These are just some of the insights, based on her lived experience, that Dr Kathomi Gatwari shares with us in this podcast.
Kathomi is a senior lecturer at Southern Cross University, the President of Australia Gender and Women’s Studies (the peak body for women and gender studies in Australia). She is also the founder of Healing Together (Counselling & Psychotherapy)- a therapeutic practice aimed to provide culturally safe therapy to Black and other people of colour in Australia, and is the founder CountingDeadWomen- Kenya a platform which collates all reported deaths of Kenyan women who have been killed through violence.
In this podcast, Kathomi discusses the importance of considering all women in empowerment and leadership by adopting an intersection feminism lens in her work and practice. She provides a definition of intersectionality as recognising the white history of feminism, where middle-class white woman were aided and abetted in pursuing equal opportunities in public life, through the support (child and domestic care) by Black women, women of colour, and poor women. Kathomi also notes that in all policy and practice it is important to consider the lived experience and barriers to full participation in all public life by poor women, Black women, women of colour, women with disability, Indigenous women, rural woman etc. as there is a tendency to use white women as the standard. For instance, when we discuss dates women were provided the right to vote... we have to include all women
Kathomi’s goal in leadership is to build intersectional feminism and to support all women, so that all women can be seen/heard.
Her leadership focuses on facilitating Black and African women being able to see themselves in places and spaces they had not seen themselves
Kathomi muses on the relationships she has had with women (her mother, grandmother, lecturers..) to note that “some of the most incredible women leaders who have come into my path has been relational…” and advises to “let the relationship be the foundation of mentorship and leadership… [be generous with your knowledge] “you are a custodian of knowledge until you pass it on”.
She considers that leadership can be used generously (and not competitive), though acknowledges that when you have been kept of spaces of leadership our only entry to accessing the space is to behave like the people in there we reproduce the same barriers. She instead shares some incredible stories and strategies of leadership as relationship, leadership as generosity, and leadership as authenticity.
Finally, Kathomi discusses her experience of racial fatigue (as a Black woman living and working in rural Australia), and people seeming to erase race as a factor of her experience. In response, Kathomi developed an organisation Healing Together (Counselling & Psychotherapy) to provide racially sensitive therapy for Black and women of colour.