This week, Heidi and Spencer are joined by podcaster and pop culture expert Ryan Bailey (05:32). They talk about the evolution of reality TV (13:06), before getting into the drama surrounding Kyle Richards, Jax and Britney, and of course, Taylor Swift!

Hosts: Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag

Guest: Ryan Bailey

Producers: Chelsea Stark-Jones, Aleya Zenieris, and Devon Renaldo

Theme Song: Heidi Montag

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