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In this episode of Pivot to Profit, Pam Jordan sits down with Dave Zaron—systems architect, martial artist, and founder of Zaronology—for a deeply honest conversation about burnout, rebuilding, and finding purpose-driven peace in business.

Dave shares how chasing revenue over alignment nearly cost him everything, leading to layoffs, financial pressure, and an existential reset. His journey from passion-fueled founder to strategic systems expert reveals the hard lessons that many entrepreneurs avoid until it's too late.

Pam and Dave unpack:

· Why “yes” is the most dangerous word in scaling

· The collapse that forced Dave to lay off 60% of his team—and what it taught him about responsibility

· His concept of Integrated Ownership and how it changed everything

· Why tech isn’t the problem—your avoidance of it might be

· How Zaronology helps founders optimize with intention, not just automation

· What peace over profit really looks like (and how to know when you’re suffering for the wrong reasons)

If you're scaling fast or feeling stuck, this episode is your blueprint for aligning systems, leadership, and values—so you can scale with clarity instead of chaos.

Listen now to learn how to build a business that works for you—not one that drains you.

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Meet the Experts:

Pam Jordan is the CEO of Pivot Business Group, helping entrepreneurs understand their numbers, increase profits, reduce taxes, and build long-term wealth through financial clarity.

Dave Zaron is the founder of Zaronology, a systems design and strategy firm helping businesses scale tech stacks with clarity and depth. He's also the creator of Integrated Ownership and a forthcoming author.

Connect with Dave:

zaronology.com

www.linkedin.com/in/davezaron

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Recommended Videos:

–How to Build a Business Without Sacrificing Well-Being: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocp3NBDuqtg

– Own Your Organizational Culture: https://youtu.be/92rFF2-hQXo?si=RSAa9cfDPhPrEaPI

– Designing a Business That Honors Your Life: https://youtu.be/wXw8w72PpHI?si=uvN-Ozdm7-Y7AJwe

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Key Takeaways from This Episode:

·  Systems aren’t just tools—they’re strategy. Tech without intention leads to chaos.

·  Burnout is a sign of misalignment. When you're suffering and still profitable, it’s time to reassess.

·  Ownership is not abdication. If it affects your time, money, or reputation—you must own it.

·  Clarity fuels sustainability. Know when to say no and build systems that reflect your values.

·  Peace is the new profit. Revenue means nothing if it costs your mental health.

Remember: It’s not what you make—it’s what you keep.