Death is a topic that most of us prefer not to think too much about. While we must all acknowledge its inevitability, on a day-to-day basis, it feels better to keep it up on a shelf in a box, out of reach from quotidian life. Then again, there are decisions to be made, and they really do need to be made in advance of those inexorable metamorphic events. This week on Sea Change Radio, we learn about the burgeoning green funeral industry from the CEO and Founder of Recompose, Katrina Spade. We look at the environmental problems associated with conventional burial and cremation, hear about the rather unusual modern history of embalming in the US, and go deep on the subject of human composting.

Narrator | 00:02 - This is Sea Change Radio covering the shift to sustainability. I'm Alex Wise.

Katrina Spade (KS) | 00:13 - Green Funerals are growing. There's a lot of interest in bringing and looking at new ways of  caring for bodies after death that aren't polluting and aren't toxic.

Narrator | 00:26 - Death is a topic that most of us prefer not to think too much about. While we must all acknowledge its inevitability on a day-to-day basis, it feels better to keep it up on a shelf in a box out of reach from quotidian life. Then again, there are decisions to be made and they really do need to be made in advance of those inexorable metamorphic events. This week on Sea Change Radio, we learn about the burgeoning green funeral industry from the CEO and founder of Recompose Katrina Spade. We look at the environmental problems associated with conventional burial in cremation, hear about the rather unusual modern history of embalming in the US and go deep on the subject of human composting.

Alex Wise (AW) | 01:34 I'm joined now on Sea Change Radio by Katrina Spade. She is the founder and CEO of Recompose. Katrina, welcome to Sea Change Radio.

Katrina Spade (KS) | 01:46 - Thank you very much.

Alex Wise (AW) | 01:48 - Before we dive into the services that your company offers, why don't you explain from an environmental perspective, what's been the problem for a few dozen centuries in the way humans bury their dead? Why can we do better from an environmental standpoint?

Katrina Spade (KS) | 02:09 - So the way we currently bury our dead, I'll call that conventional burial started around the Civil War, and that's when modern embalming was invented by a couple of entrepreneurial young people, , who said, look at this market of potential clients. They actually went out to the battlefields in the south and pre-sold the service of embalming to soldiers who might die. And that was a way to get those bodies back from the south to the north after death. And they used arsenic, I think at the time. Now it's a formaldehyde-based process or solution. So interestingly, I mean, people have still do and have for millennia had their dead out to say goodbye to them, but they've looked dead as opposed to looked embalmed. So it's perfectly fine and pretty common in other parts of the world to have a dead person who's un embalmed be out for a goodbye and a viewing and a what is relatively new like it since the Civil War, is this idea that we should pump the body full of embalming fluid to preserve it as long as we can. That practice is not religious based. It's not, it's not even really like a deep cultural basis in, in terms of its history. It's, uh, really was this very practical way of getting soldiers back to their homes.

AW | 03:30 - It also coincided with the birth of photography as well, I imagine. So people would want to capture a photo with their loved one before they buried them, right? 

KS | 03:42 - Great point. I mean, I just say again, you don't need to embalm someone to get a picture of them when they've died.

AW | 03:47 - But they look a little better this way.

KS | 03:49 - I don't know. I think you, you could say “better.” I could say “different.”

AW | 03:53 - That was the pitch in the 1880s or something,