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Guest: Sidney Pearl, Executive Director at AI-ISAC
On Linkedin | https://www.linkedin.com/in/sidney-pearl/
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Host: Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast [@RedefiningCyber]
On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/sean-martin
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Episode Notes
Welcome to a new episode of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast. In this episode, Sean Martin is joined by Sidney Pearl to discuss the AI-ISAC (Artificial Intelligence Information Sharing and Analysis Center). They talk about the importance of operationalizing security and how communities, such as CISOs and other business executives, play a vital role in information sharing.
Sidney Pearl, the newly appointed executive director of AI ISAC, shares his background and experience in cybersecurity. The pair explore the structure of ISAOs (Information Sharing and Analysis Organizations) and ISACs. They explain that ISACs were initially formed to develop public and private partnerships between the government and private industry to share information and identify threats to critical infrastructure. Over time, ISACs have evolved into ISAOs, which have members beyond just the government and focus on sharing information across various domains.
The conversation then shifts to the AI ISAC and its importance in sharing information about artificial intelligence-related threats. They emphasize that the AI-ISAC is neutral and aims to help all ISACs and ISAOs gain insight into the threat landscape associated with artificial intelligence. They discuss the challenges of navigating the rapidly evolving field of artificial intelligence, where bad actors can leverage AI tools for malicious purposes.
Sean and Sidney stress the necessity for organizations to proactively understand the trajectory of AI and make informed decisions. They highlight the importance of accessibility to good information for organizations to stay ahead of threats. Trust plays a crucial role in the success of ISACs, and Sidney invites the audience to engage with the AI-ISAC to foster trust and collaboration. Sidney also expresses the AI-ISAC's commitment to working together with the cybersecurity community to adapt to the changes brought by artificial intelligence. He encourages listeners to reach out and participate in the dialogue, emphasizing that we are all in this together.
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New Artificial Intelligence Information Sharing Analysis Center (AI-ISAC) Launches at Kennedy Space Center: https://world.einnews.com/pr_news/674452892/new-artificial-intelligence-information-sharing-analysis-center-ai-isac-launches-at-kennedy-space-center
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In this edition of The Future of Cybersecurity Newsletter, we embark on a journey that connects the groundbreaking innovation of the blue LED with the ever-evolving challenges of cybersecurity. Shuji Nakamura's pioneering work in developing the blue LED not only revolutionized lighting technology but also provides invaluable lessons for tackling the complexities of modern cybersecurity. We explore how the persistence, interdisciplinary approaches, and innovative thinking that led to the blue LED's success can be mirrored in addressing cybersecurity threats.
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This fictional story represents the results of an interactive collaboration between Human Cognition and Artificial Intelligence.
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Guest: Jack Cable, Senior Technical Advisor at CISA [@CISAgov]
On LinkedIn | https://linkedin.com/in/jackcable
On Twitter | https://twitter.com/jackhcable
CISA on LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/company/cisagov/
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Host: Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast [@RedefiningCyber]
On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/sean-martin
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Episode Notes
In this episode of the Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast, host Sean Martin invites Jack Cable, Senior Technical Advisor at CISA (U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency), to discuss the concept of 'Secure by Design' and the importance of incorporating security into the development process of technology products. The episode explores the motivations behind CISA's 'Secure by Design' initiative, which aims to shift the responsibility for cybersecurity from end users to technology manufacturers.
During the conversation, Jack highlights the need for long-term investments in cybersecurity and emphasizes the role of business leaders in driving necessary security improvements. The conversation explores the core principles of 'Secure by Design', including technology manufacturers taking ownership of security outcomes for their customers, promoting radical transparency and accountability, and ensuring top business leadership drives security improvements. The episode also touches on the collaboration between CISA and the open-source community to foster greater security improvements in the open-source space.
Jack also shares success stories of companies effectively implementing 'Secure by Design' principles and highlights the economic and business factors that will drive a more secure future. The episode concludes with a call-to-action for organizations to adopt the 'Secure by Design' approach and engage with CISA to support the shift towards more secure software.
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Inspiring LinkedIn Post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jackcable_when-a-new-vulnerability-comes-out-its-activity-7135658158726791168-nz9h
Secure by Design Overview: https://www.cisa.gov/securebydesign
Alert Series Announcement: https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/cisa-announces-secure-design-alert-series-how-vendor-decisions-can-reduce-harm-global-scale
Principles for Package Repository Security: https://repos.openssf.org/principles-for-package-repository-security
Request for Information: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/12/20/2023-27948/request-for-information-on-shifting-the-balance-of-cybersecurity-risk-principles-and-approaches-for
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Guests:
Mick Douglas, Founder and Managing Partner at InfoSec Innovations [@ISInnovations]
On LinkedIn | https://linkedin.com/in/mick-douglas
On Twitter | https://twitter.com/bettersafetynet
Dinis Cruz, Chief Scientist at Glasswall [@GlasswallCDR] and CISO at Holland & Barrett [@Holland_Barrett]
On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/diniscruz/
On Twitter | https://twitter.com/DinisCruz
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Host: Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast [@RedefiningCyber]
On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/sean-martin
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Episode Notes
In this episode of the Redefining Cybersecurity podcast, Sean Martin is joined by Mick Douglas and Dinis Cruz to delve into a debatable topic: The role and effectiveness of Language Model (LLM) AI in Security Incident and Event Management (SIEM) systems.
Mick, with a rich history in cybersecurity, contends that while AI has its place, he doesn't believe it belongs in the SIEM itself. In contrast, Dinis cites the potential of AI to make SIEMs more productive by cleaning up data, reducing noise, and improving signal value. They discuss the issues of handling vast data sets, the potential for AI to help identify and manage anomalies, and how to create learning environments within SIEM. However, concerns were also raised regarding false positives, trust issues with AI and the significant computational costs to implement and maintain these AI systems.
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Inspiring LinkedIn Post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mick-douglas_first-let-me-be-really-clear-for-the-near-activity-7146143942739124224-a4vl/
Inspiring Twitter Post: https://twitter.com/bettersafetynet/status/1740370001973154010
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Hosts
Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast [@RedefiningCyber]
On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/sean-martin
Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining Society Podcast
On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/marco-ciappelli
Episode Notes
The ITSPmagazine Weekly Catch-Up | 11-January-2024 | With Marco Ciappelli and Sean Martin
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Video: I'm back in a diesel after 4yrs running both EV & PHEV. What needs to change to get me to go back? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZysvgm2_Aw
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In this edition of The Future of Cybersecurity Newsletter, we explore how CISOs can enhance their cybersecurity strategies by adopting aviation survivability fundamentals. This approach offers a fresh perspective on risk assessment, system resilience, and continuous improvement, drawing parallels between the structured rigor of aviation safety and the dynamic field of cybersecurity.
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Enjoy, think, share with others, and subscribe to "The Future of Cybersecurity" newsletter on LinkedIn.
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TAPE3 is the Artificial Intelligence for ITSPmagazine, created to function as a guide, writing assistant, researcher, and brainstorming partner to those who adventure at and beyond the Intersection Of Technology, Cybersecurity, And Society. Visit TAPE3 on ITSPmagazine.
About the CISO Circuit Series
Sean Martin and Michael Piacente will join forces roughly once per month to discuss everything from looking for a new job, entering the field, finding the right work/life balance, examining the risks and rewards in the role, building and supporting your team, the value of the community, relevant newsworthy items, and so much more. Join us to help us understand the role of the CISO so that we can collectively find a path to Redefining CyberSecurity. If you have a topic idea or a comment on an episode, feel free to contact Sean Martin.
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Guests:
Michael Piacente, Managing Partner and Cofounder of Hitch Partners
On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/michael-piacente
Don Boian, Chief Information Security Officer of Hound Labs
On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/don-boian-05820714/
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Host: Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast [@RedefiningCyber]
On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/sean-martin
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Episode Notes
In this episode of the Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast, co-hosts Sean Martin and Michael Piacente talk with Don Boian to discuss effective communication between salespeople and CISOs. The main focus is on building trust and understanding in an environment that often sees these roles at odds.
Boian highlights the importance of understanding the corporate structure and knowing who to approach. He suggests that salespeople target not only the CISO but elements of their team, citing examples where security engineers are equally valuable contacts.
Boian stresses that the key to successful communication is trust, built over time and through demonstrated value. He encourages cybersecurity salespeople to become an integral part of the cybersecurity community and invest in long-term relationships with CISOs.
Piacente adds that the CISO’s role has greatly expanded in recent years, requiring them to be business leaders in addition to technical experts. He notes that board members are often pleasantly surprised at a CISO's business acumen.
The conversation also explores the importance of salespeople using a language that resonates with CISOs and clearly articulating their product’s value propositions.
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Guest: Joe Weiss, Managing Partner at Applied Control Solutions, LLC [@appliedcontrol]
On Linkedin | https://www.linkedin.com/in/joew1/
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Host: Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast [@RedefiningCyber]
On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/sean-martin
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Episode Notes
In this episode of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast, host Sean Martin engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Joe Weiss, a pioneer in the realm of control system cybersecurity. Weiss shares his experiences and insights from the frontlines of this intersection between cybersecurity and physical infrastructure.
The conversation reveals a significant gap between the cybersecurity and engineering worlds. Weiss highlights how cybersecurity professionals often focus on protecting servers and data, while overlooking the physical infrastructure that supports those servers. This disconnect, Weiss argues, can lead to significant operational issues, including the shutdown of major data centers due to control system cyber issues misidentified as mechanical failures.
Weiss presents a riveting case study of a billion-dollar manufacturing facility that was unknowingly suffering a 3% hit on net productivity. This was due to malfunctions in sensors and systems that were not detected by the facility's operational displays. The issue was only discovered when the raw physics of sensor readings were examined, emphasizing the need for a more comprehensive approach to cybersecurity.
Weiss further discusses the potential consequences of these overlooked vulnerabilities, including the disruption of critical services like air conditioning, power, and water supply. He stresses that these are not just issues for private entities but can impact every government operation, and consequently, our way of life.
The conversation concludes with Weiss advocating for an integrated approach to cybersecurity, one that connects security to operations and safety. He sees education as a key part of the solution, calling for more cross-disciplinary learning and collaboration between the fields of computer science and engineering.
This episode is a deep dive into the complexities of cybersecurity and the urgent need for a paradigm shift in its approach. Listeners will gain valuable insights into the critical intersection of cybersecurity and physical infrastructure, making this a must-listen for anyone interested in the future of cybersecurity.
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Hosts
Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast [@RedefiningCyber]
On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/sean-martin
Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining Society Podcast
On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/marco-ciappelli
Episode Notes
The ITSPmagazine Weekly Catch-Up | 11-January-2024 | With Marco Ciappelli and Sean Martin
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Guest: Dr. Dimitri Kusnezov, Under Secretary, for the Science and Technology DHS
On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/dimitri-kusnezov-097a9b68/
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Hosts:
Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining Society Podcast
On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/marco-ciappelli
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Episode Notes
In this last episode of the of the Post Event Coverage for CES 2024, Marco Ciappelli and Sean Martin are joined by Dr. Dimitri Kusnezov, the Undersecretary from the Department of Homeland Security responsible for science, technology, and first response.
The podcast begins with an enthusiastic discussion about the importance of CES and how it goes beyond just showcasing gadgets and incredible tech, but representing the present and future of society’s relationship with technology. Marco and Sean express their excitement about the panel Dr. Kusnezov had at CES: AI is the 5th Industrial Revolution | How AI is transforming how organizations operate, scale and improve efficiencies to grow the economy keep the nation moving forward, and of the overall significance of the event in shaping the future of technology and society.
Dr. Kusnezov introduces himself as a theoretical physicist turned government official and shares his admiration for the remarkable mission of the Department of Homeland Security. He highlights the challenges and opportunities that arise from the intersection of technology, innovation, and operational law enforcement.
The conversation then delves into the role of AI as the fifth industrial revolution and its transformative power across various sectors. Dr. Kusnezov emphasizes the interconnectedness of emerging technologies and the need to reimagine traditional fields such as farming and transportation, but also the way we need to think about technology’s role and how our society must be thought in terms of complexity and perpetual change.
Marco and Dr. Kusnezov discuss the cultural shift brought about by technology and how it challenges established norms and sources of information. They ponder the uncertainties of the future, particularly in a world where everything is evolving rapidly, and the social contract needs to be redefined.
Sean brings up the collaboration between the government, tech industry, and academia in shaping the future. Dr. Kusnezov acknowledges the importance of working with private companies and universities to harness innovation collectively. He emphasizes the need for deeper conversations and partnerships to address unique challenges faced by the Department of Homeland Security.
The podcast concludes with Marco expressing gratitude for Dr. Kusnezov's insights and highlighting the importance of staying open to change and redefining societal norms. They encourage listeners to engage in thoughtful discussions and continue questioning the evolution of technology and its impact on society.
Overall, this Post CES Coverage podcast provides a rich and thought-provoking conversation about the intersection of technology, society, and government efforts in shaping the future.
Listen, enjoy, share, and be sure to subscribe to Redefining Society (Marco’s Podcast) and Redefining Cybersecurity (Sean’s Podcast) for many more engaging conversations at the intersection of technology, cybersecurity and society.
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Resources
AI is the 5th Industrial Revolution: https://www.ces.tech/sessions-events/voice/voice01.aspx
Artificial Intelligence | Homeland Security (dhs.gov) : https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/artificial-intelligence
The Role of Science and Technology in Preparing for Future Change | Homeland Security (dhs.gov) : https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/news/2023/12/21/role-science-and-technology-preparing-future-change
Learn more about CES 2024: https://www.ces.tech/
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