Rehab Remix: Reimagining Boundaries

Rehab Remix - Managing Provider and Payer Perspectives with Stephen Kinsley

In this episode of #RehabRemix: Reimagining Boundaries, my discussion is with someone who has deep experience on both the provider and payer side of healthcare, and definitely the first in our series to address the Payer perspective. Stephen Kinsley, now with Ivy Rehab as their Head of Payer Strategy, spent many years in various leadership roles at SCA Health, a major arm of Optum Health in recent years.

Stephen's energy and passion around everything he does is contagious. His unique experience with knowledge of both provider and payer, make him a valuable asset to our industry as we try to balance our approaches towards accountable patient-centered care. Stephen explains how payer-provider relationships have evolved from transactional contracting to deeper dialogue focused on value, and outlines nuances across the segments.

As Stephen so simply puts it - it's all about the patient. In his words, "it comes down to the patient's journey and his or her care, and I think sometimes we let other things get in the way of that." By prioritizing the patient's journey, we can better control healthcare spending while ensuring patients remain engaged on their healing journeys. "We all want the same thing!"

Stephen has a great way of categorizing us as patients; "you got your seniors, you got your everyday workforce, and the individuals that are unfortunate to get injured on the job". Which then led us to discussing the role of PT in Workers' Compensation, a great segment to realize near-term value by leveraging data-driven care.

00:00 Welcome to Rehab Remix

00:33 Meet Stephen Kinsley

01:55 Stephen's Career Journey

03:10 How Payers View PT

04:35 Payer Types Explained

06:38 Hybrid Rehab Goes Mainstream

09:24 Value Based Care in PT

14:04 RTM Beyond Reimbursement

16:39 Burnout and Productivity Pressures

18:47 Point Solutions and Employers

21:32 Where Tech Makes Impact

26:24 Rapid Fire and Wrap Up

Where to find Stephen:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephen-kinsley-bb377a14/

Where to find Rohit:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nayakr

Band Connect LinkedIn: https://lnkd.in/gGSFsPCg

Website: http://www.bandconnect.net

Tune in here for practical insights, real-world examples and a glimpse into where rehab is headed: https://bandconnect.net/rehabremix/

#HybridTherapy #PhysicalTherapy #OrthopedicRehab #EvidenceBased #HealthTech #MedTech #DigitalHealth #Musculoskeletal

Rehab Remix - Transforming Injury Rehab with Brent Williams

Welcome to Rehab Remix Reimagining Boundaries, hosted by Rohit Nayak, co-founder of Band Connect. In this episode, Rohit speaks with Brent Williams, CEO of Complete Care, a growing injury care delivery organization.

In this episode of 'Reimagining Boundaries,' they delve into the future of orthopedic rehab within the scope of clinical innovation and connected health. Highlighting the importance of function over pain in rehab programs, Brent highlights the goals of Complete Care 2034. The discussion explores the impact of AI in healthcare, including the potential risks and benefits. They also address the economic inefficiencies in the current healthcare system and the promising role of value-based care, particularly for physical medicine. Join us as we uncover groundbreaking ideas that could revolutionize the quality of life for millions.

00:33 Introducing Brent Williams

01:43 Brent's Journey from Sports Medicine to Complete Care

07:45 Complete Care 2034 Vision

10:18 The Importance of Objective Data in Rehab

13:47 Value-Based Care and Personal Injury Protection

19:18 Musculoskeletal Care and Primary Care Integration

22:47 The Future of Hybrid Rehab

26:20 Trends and Innovations in Healthcare

37:04 Challenges and Opportunities in Musculoskeletal Care

Where to find Brent:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-williams-4691ba4/

Where to find Rohit:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nayakr

Band Connect LinkedIn: https://lnkd.in/gGSFsPCg

Website: http://www.bandconnect.net

Tune in here for practical insights, real-world examples and a glimpse into where rehab is headed: https://bandconnect.net/rehabremix/

#HybridTherapy #PhysicalTherapy #OrthopedicRehab #EvidenceBased #HealthTech #MedTech #DigitalHealth #Musculoskeletal

Rehab Remix - Taking the Lab to the Clinic: Perspectives from Chuck Thigpen

Welcome to Rehab Remix Reimagining Boundaries, hosted by Rohit Nayak, co-founder of Band Connect. In this episode, Rohit speaks with Dr. Charles Thigpen, Chief Clinical and Strategy Officer at ATI Physical Therapy. They delve into Dr. Thigpen's extensive career in physical therapy, the role of clinical innovation, and the impact of connected health on orthopedic rehab. Dr. Thigpen shares his journey from academia to industry, his experiences in blending process engineering with clinical care, and the importance of leveraging data to improve patient outcomes. They discuss the evolving care delivery models, the significance of early PT interventions, and the integration of technology in physical therapy practices. Key topics also include the challenges and opportunities in value-based care, addressing PT burnout, and the vision for the future of musculoskeletal healthcare.

00:00 Introduction to Rehab Remix

02:05 Chuck's Journey in Physical Therapy

05:31 Building a Clinical Research Lab

10:40 Innovations in Care Delivery

18:21 Challenges and Opportunities in PT

23:17 Defining Value in Physical Therapy

25:30 Challenges in Value-Based Care

31:57 Technology in Physical Therapy

42:52 Rapid Fire Questions and Final Thoughts

Where to find Chuck:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuck-thigpen-30324425/

Where to find Rohit:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nayakr

Band Connect LinkedIn: https://lnkd.in/gGSFsPCg

Website: http://www.bandconnect.net

Tune in here for practical insights, real-world examples and a glimpse into where rehab is headed: https://bandconnect.net/rehabremix/

#HybridTherapy #PhysicalTherapy #OrthopedicRehab #EvidenceBased #HealthTech #MedTech #DigitalHealth #Musculoskeletal

Rehab Remix: Innovations in Sports Physical Therapy with Brent Pekarski

Welcome to 'Rehab Remix Reimagining Boundaries,' a podcast that delves into the future of orthopedic rehabilitation through clinical innovation and digital health. Hosted by Rohit Nayak, co-founder of Band Connect, this episode features Brent Pekarski, a board-certified clinical specialist in sports physical therapy and Director of Physical Therapy at Druzinsky Sports Medicine Institute. Brent shares his journey in the rehab world, discusses his engagement with youth athletes, and elaborates on the integration of technology into physical therapy. Key topics include the hybrid care model, telehealth, remote therapeutic monitoring, and the importance of objective data. Tune in for an in-depth conversation on overcoming current challenges in rehab and the future directions of sports medicine.

00:30 Meet Brent Pekarski: A Journey in Sports Physical Therapy

04:19 The Evolution of Hybrid Care Models

04:40 Telehealth and Remote Therapeutic Monitoring

08:12 Patient Engagement and Compliance

10:57 Innovations in Sports Medicine

15:14 Challenges and Overhyped Technologies

17:08 The Haslam Sports Innovation Institute

21:27 Objective Data in Rehab

25:45 Rapid Fire Questions and Closing Thoughts

Where to find Brent:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-pekarski-478862115/

Where to find Rohit:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nayakr

Band Connect LinkedIn: https://lnkd.in/gGSFsPCg

Website: http://www.bandconnect.net

Tune in here for practical insights, real-world examples and a glimpse into where rehab is headed: https://bandconnect.net/rehabremix/

#HybridTherapy #PhysicalTherapy #OrthopedicRehab #EvidenceBased #HealthTech #MedTech #DigitalHealth #Musculoskeletal

Our next episode of Rehab Remix: Reimagining Boundaries features Simon Hoehn. Simon is the Director of Physical Therapy at Aptiva Health, a Louisville based multi-disciplinary orthopedic care and rehab provider. I first connected with Simon through a spine surgeon working at Aptiva. Our interactions demonstrated Simon's passion and purpose-driven approach for what he and Aptiva are doing for orthopedic care and rehab. Our podcast discussion does not disappoint.

His first introduction to Physical Therapy started as an athlete, which soon became his professional focus through his training at Washington University in St. Louis. He coached D1 Football and even had stints as an Executive Coach. Simon brings a unique perspective to the PT profession. He emphasizes individualized care over maximizing insurance approved visits. You'll find him a strong advocate for hybrid models that blend in-clinic and at-home care, leveraging technology (like AI and remote monitoring) to empower patients, track progress, and improve outcomes. He stresses the importance of patient engagement and accountability both inside and outside the clinic.

Simon's experience as an executive coach informs his leadership style. He believes in empowering staff, reducing burnout by keeping focus on the purpose of therapy, and building a legacy of meaningful work. He acknowledges the challenges clinicians face in adopting new technologies and approaches, emphasizing the need for training, mindset shifts, and supportive accountability rather than punitive measures. He wants the field of physical therapy to be recognized for its expertise in movement science, not just as a place for routine exercises or maintenance, but as specialists in diagnosing and correcting dysfunctional movement patterns.

00:00 — Introduction to Rehab Remix

01:35 — Simon's Background and Journey to PT

04:52 — Coaching Experience

07:32 — Clinical Philosophy and Patient-Centered Care

09:36 — Hybrid Care and Technology Integration

12:35 — Value-Based Care and Personal Injury Protection

16:42 — Remote Therapeutic Monitoring and Implementation Challenges

27:30 — Wrap-up and Closing Thoughts

Where to find Simon:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-hoehn-25136522/

Where to find Rohit:

• LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nayakr

• Band Connect LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/band-connect/

• Website: http://www.bandconnect.net

The Rehab Remix podcast is brought to you by Band Connect Inc. You can listen to the podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify and watch on YouTube.

In this episode of 'Rehab Remix, Reimagining Boundaries,' Band Connect introduces Larry Benz. It was too hard to find one label to describe Larry - so we went with the name of his substack blog - #AllThingsPhysicalTherapy. You can hear his extensive journey in PT in his own words, how he started, and continued to systematically build upon his achievements while shaping a foundation for the industry at large. And.. the story is still being written.

Larry shares insights into the evolution of physical therapy, challenges with business models, and the integration of technology like AI in clinical practice. He also emphasizes the importance of patient engagement, adherence to treatment plans, and the future potential for hybrid therapeutic models. Inevitably, the concerning trends of the current PT business model are also discussed, though you'll also hear his energizing optimism for what's ahead. The episode delves into the intersection of technology, patient care, and business in revolutionizing the PT field, the role of technology like AI in physical therapy, and the importance of clinician-patient relationships in achieving successful outcomes. Hear it all for yourself.

00:00 Introduction to Rehab Remix

00:47 Meet Larry Benz: A PT Luminary

02:11 Larry's Journey in Physical Therapy

03:11 Entrepreneurial Ventures and Innovations

04:06 Military Experience and Early Innovations

05:54 Private Practice and Higher Education Disruption

08:03 Network Management and Industry Leadership

08:47 Adopting Technology and AI in PT

10:06 Blended Learning and Remote Therapy

22:12 Patient Engagement and Compliance

26:51 The Existential Crisis in Physical Therapy

27:57 The Unchanging Business Model of PT

29:07 Post-COVID Challenges and Shortages

31:27 Value-Based Care in PT: A Declining Trend

34:37 Alternative Payment Models: A Glimmer of Hope

35:59 The Hinge IPO and AI in Healthcare

37:10 The Future of Digital Health and PT

44:32 Private Equity in PT: A Cause for Concern

45:25 Advice for Aspiring PTs

47:38 Closing Thoughts and Optimism for the Future

Where to find Larry:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lbenz/

Where to find Rohit:

• LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nayakr
• Band Connect LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/band-connect/
• Website: http://www.bandconnect.net

The Rehab Remix podcast is brought to you by Band Connect Inc. You can listen to the podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify and watch on YouTube.

Join us in conversation with Alex Bendersky, DPT, Founder of the Rehab Think Tank, and a seasoned physical therapist with over two decades of experience.

By virtue of his innovative pursuits, Alex has a large following in the PT Rehab community and is one of the leading community members in orthopedic rehabilitation. For over 20 years, Alex has helped shape the field through clinical expertise and an unwavering commitment to innovation. A pioneer in integrating evidence-based technology into physical therapy, he's also a regular presenter at national conferences such as @APTA. In addition to his work at the Rehab Think Tank, Alex also provides strategic advising and consulting to SPRY and VerityXR, and is also the Co-Host of the Future Proof PT podcast. Learn about Alex's journey, his thoughts on hybrid rehab models, the role of technology in patient care, and the importance of evidence-based and evidence-guided care.

In this episode, we explore Alex's journey, his passion for innovation to address what he considers as systemic challenges facing orthopedic rehab today. His clear articulation of the mindset of both PTs in underplaying the value of physical therapy and the resulting impact on patient accountability is just one of the nuggets you'll find in this discussion. If you haven't connected with Alex previously, you can start here.

• 00:00 Intro
• 00:54 Meet Alex Bendersky
• 01:22 Alex's Journey and Innovations
• 04:20 Hybrid Rehab and Patient Engagement
• 11:17 Remote Therapeutic Monitoring (RTM)
• 16:03 Challenges and Misconceptions in Rehab Therapy
• 21:11 Quickfire Questions and Conclusion

Where to find Alex Bendersky:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexbenderskydpt
• Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@FutureProofPT

Where to find Rohit:

• LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nayakr
• Band Connect LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/band-connect/
• Website: http://www.bandconnect.net

The Rehab Remix podcast is brought to you by Band Connect Inc. You can listen to the podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify and watch on YouTube

Join us in our discussion with Dr. Joe Kvedar, Professor of Dermatology at Harvard Medical School and a pioneer in telemedicine, as he shares his groundbreaking journey over 30 years or more.

In addition to being an early practitioner, he probably coined many of the terms we use these days. As significant as his contributions have been, he continues his paving activities forward in numerous ways, including with his role in launching the new RTM (Remote Therapeutic Monitoring) CPT codes, possibly a precursor to value-based care models in rehab therapy. He is also the Editor-in-Chief at npj Digital Medicine, an online open-access journal for research in all things digital medicine and health. Above all, Dr. Kvedar is kind and generous in his ways, unassuming, and always willing to help others follow in his footsteps.

Tune in to hear it in his own words.

00:00 Intro

00:59 Meet Dr. Joe Kvedar

02:06 The Evolution and Challenges of Connected Health

04:28 Hybrid Rehab: Blending In-Clinic and Remote Care

07:27 Role of Remote Therapeutic Monitoring

11:48 Value-Based Reimbursements and Digital Health

15:25 Impact of AI in Healthcare

23:03 Closing Thoughts and Future Directions

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Where to find Dr. Joe Kvedar:

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/joekvedar/

• www.joekvedar.com

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Where to find Rohit:

• www.linkedin.com/in/nayakr/

You can listen to the podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify and watch on YouTube.