Reimagining Justice

In episode no. 90, my guest is Bridgette Toy-Cronin, Director, Civil Justice Centre, Co-Director, Otago Centre for Law and Society and Senior Lecturer, Faculty of Law, University of Otago. We cover:

• The access to justice issues in Aotearoa New Zealand;
• Key aims of the ‘Wayfinding for civil justice’ project;
• How the project commenced at the start of the pandemic with a hui;
• The other jurisdictions the working group looked to for guidance on this project;
• How the project is doing two related but different things at the same time;
• Factors peculiar to Aotearoa New Zealand that are facilitating the entire process;
• The diversity of the working group, and which organisations have made submissions to the consultation process;
• Early findings about what will assist going forward;
• Funding sources for this stakeholder-led strategy, and for the recommendations;
• Gaps that have been identified through this work;
• Different approaches to legal innovation in Aotearoa New Zealand;
• The intersection of customary Māori law and the mainstream justice system;
• How Māori principles are influencing procedure including process in the District Court, mediation and dispute resolution;
• How ‘innovation’ and ‘technology’ are often conflated; and
• Bridgette’s definition of legal innovation.

Proudly sponsored by Neota!

Links:

• Wayfinding for Civil Justice
• Neota Logic Solution Gallery
• Neota Logic
• Churchill Trust Project

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In episode no. 89 my guest is Fiona Kirkman, CEO and co-founder of FamilyProperty. We cover:

• The functionality of expert system FamilyProperty that Fiona and her co-founder (husband!) Tim developed;
• The journey of FamilyProperty from an idea to MVP, to market, to acquisition;
• The integration of FamilyProperty with global practice management software, Smokeball bringing the ‘business of law’ together with effective delivery of legal advice;
• How technology is always changing and the need for ongoing maintenance (especially when court forms change!);
• The importance of beta testing and accurate data mapping;
• Benefits of this use of technology for lawyers and clients;
• What it is about the people that adopt these new methodologies and the organisations in which they work, including their size and what that means for change management;
• The impact of the pandemic on the legal industry;
• Where you fit on ‘the innovative scale’;
• The importance of understanding users’ pain points and how technology can assist with that, as well as empower the professionals to do more of the ‘human work’;
• Plans for scaling and expansion of FamilyProperty in the USA;
• Unexpected uses of the financial aspects of FamilyProperty and a model that Legal Aid is piloting;
• Constraints that Fiona and Tim have come up against recently;
• The importance of confidentiality and cybersecurity;
• Fiona’s 3 passions and how they relate to her numerous roles;
• What lawyers will need to be effective mediators in the future; 
• What is the ‘resolution revolution’?; 
• The importance of collaborative practice and multidisciplinary input; 
• When Fiona became comfortable with being labelled an ‘innovator’; 
• What she is most proud of along the journey of both joys and challenges;
• How technology is an enabler of access to justice; and
• Fiona’s definition of legal innovation.

Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic!

Links:

• Family Property
• Smokeball
• Neota Logic Solution Gallery
• Neota Logic
• Churchill Trust Project
• Survey
• Future Ready Regional and Rural Legal Conference

Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au

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In episode no. 88, my guest is Nicolas Patrick, Partner, Head of Responsible Business, DLA Piper. We cover:

• Nic’s views on the potential of technology;
• The reason for DLA Piper holding a forum on technology and access to justice in 2019;
• The problem with digitising existing processes;
• Why an international law firm without family law expertise, supports a Sydney based non-profit family law firm;
• The way Wallumatta Legal operates and how it runs an efficient practice;
• How pro bono provides insight into areas of unmet legal need; The different contributions that Macquarie University and DLA Piper bring to Wallumatta Legal;
• What technology is used for at Wallumatta Legal and the software it relies upon;
• Why Nic isn’t concerned about the digital divide in the context of
• Wallumatta Legal given all its services are delivered online;
• How Wallumatta Legal will improve access to justice across the sector;
• Why they recruit a ‘different kind of lawyer’ at Wallumatta Legal;
• The biggest challenge in the first six months of the firm’s operations;
• Plans for scaling and expansion of this model into other jurisdictions and areas of law;
• Why Nic thinks that there aren’t more low bono or alternative models servicing the needs of people at the lower end of the legal market;
• The potential for regulatory reform to facilitate technology use and other models to improve justice outcomes for marginalised people;
• The opportunity for firms to collaborate and establish a network of low bono and not-for-profit law firms; and
• Nic’s definition of legal innovation.

Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic!

Links:

• Wallumatta Legal
• Neota Logic Solution Gallery
• Neota Logic
• Churchill Trust Project
• Survey
• Future Ready Regional and Rural Legal Conference

Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au

Twitter - @ReimaginingJ

Facebook – Reimagining Justice group

This is the third episode in a 3-part series about justice entrepreneurship. 

Part 1 provides an overview of justice entrepreneurship - 3 categories of justice entrepreneurship with real examples from each of the categories and the problem solved. 

Part 2 covers 5 key factors to maximise the likelihood of success of your justice innovation. You might be surprised to hear about some of them!

And now in part 3, we look at funding options and some of their pro’s and con’s.

Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic 

Links:

• Landers
• Village Capital
• Grant connect
• Grant search
• Neota Logic
• Churchill Trust Project
• Survey

Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au

Twitter - @ReimaginingJ

Facebook – Reimagining Justice group

In episode no. 86 I had the pleasure of speaking with John Lord, Co-founder and Chairman of long term sponsor of the podcast, Neota (formerly Neota Logic).

We discuss:

• What John wants the world to know about no-code and why;
• Some unintended consequences of no-code including hybrid working models;
• How no-code supports the democratisation of information in both commercial and public interest contexts;
• The areas of law that are suited to apps, what can be built, and how they help;
• The scope of opportunity for legal technology both in terms of market and career choices;
• The genesis of the university program that Neota now operates in 18 universities around the world and its involvement with pro bono;
• Outcomes from university ‘Law Apps’ courses including an example of how Neota’s technology resulted in homes being repaired in a remote Aboriginal community;
• How an app assists people to have criminal records expunged in the United States;
• The meaning and relevance of the name ‘Neota’; and
• John’s definition of legal innovation.

Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic!

Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au

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Facebook – Reimagining Justice group

This is the second episode in a 3-part series about justice entrepreneurship. 

Episode 3 was an overview of justice entrepreneurship - the types of issues justice entrepreneurs work on, the 3 categories of justice entrepreneurship with real examples from each of the categories.

This episode covers 5 key factors to maximise the likelihood of success of your justice innovation. You might be surprised to hear about some of them!

Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic 

Links:

• Justice Entrepreneurship
• Artificial Lawyer
• Neota Logic Solution Gallery
• Neota Logic
• Churchill Trust Project
• Survey

Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au

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In episode no. 83 I speak with Co-founder, CEO and General Counsel of Turnsignl, Jazz Hampton. We discuss:

• The problem that prompted the creation of TurnSignl and how Jazz and his co-founders knew it was the right time to act;
• The professional backgrounds of the three black founders;
• What Turnsigl does and how it works to protect civil rights at scale;
• How Turnsignl gets to the people who need it (it’s an interesting approach);
• The product’s similarity to roadside assistance programs or an insurance policy;
• Turnsignl’s partners across different sectors;
• Why Jazz describes the users as the ‘3 P’s’;
• How to know if Turnsignl is working;
• Power imbalances that exist in civil and criminal law contexts;
• How Jazz considers Turnsingl provides mental health support;
• Turnsignl’s technology resources and funding model;
• The difference working in a team when you’re responsible for their salaries;
• Whether you should consider your employees as family;
• Biggest challenges as a justice entrepreneur especially growing a two-sided marketplace;
• Something that justice entrepreneurs shouldn’t be nervous about;
• Why you don’t need a non-profit vehicle to make a difference (and why a business model might be more suitable);
• Attributes that gave Jazz the confidence to move from practising law to the becoming an entrepreneur;
• Insight into his work ethic;
• Something unique about the foundation for Turnsignl’s work;
• What is ‘moving at the speed of trust’; and
• Jazz’s definition of legal innovation!

Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic 

Links:

• TurnSignl
• Neota Logic Solution Gallery
• Neota Logic
• Churchill Trust Project
• Survey

Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au

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Facebook – Reimagining Justice group

Episode no. 83 is the first episode in a 3-part series about justice entrepreneurship. 

This episode covers: 

• What is justice entrepreneurship?
• What are the types of issues justice entrepreneurs work on?
• The 3 categories of justice entrepreneurship
• Real examples from each of the categories
• A question to you about what motivates law firm owners?
• What’s coming up including an interview with a passionate justice entrepreneur and more short solo episodes on how to activate justice entrepreneurship

Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic 

Links:

• Justice Entrepreneurship
• Neota Logic Solution Gallery
• Neota Logic
• Churchill Trust Project
• Survey

Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au

Twitter - @ReimaginingJ

Facebook – Reimagining Justice group

Episode no. 82 is about “Law Labs”. 

In Part 1, I cover:

• What is a Law Lab and where and why were they set up?
• What kinds of issues or projects do Law Labs work on?
• Who are the key stakeholders and the benefits they receive (should I establish one)? 

Part 2 is all about:

• 4 things you need for a viable Law Lab (in under 4 minutes!)

Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic 

Links:

• Institutionalizing Legal Innovation: The (Re)Emergence of the Law Lab
• Neota Logic Solution Gallery
• Neota Logic
• Churchill Trust Project
• Survey

Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au

Twitter - @ReimaginingJ

Facebook – Reimagining Justice group

In episode no. 81 my guest is Brian Tang, Founding Executive director of LITE Lab@HKU and Co-chair, Asia-Pacific Legal Innovation & Technology Association (ALITA). We discuss:

• Career path (which will be interesting to law students);
• How he became involved with innovation in the law in Hong Kong;
• Main justice issues in Hong Kong;
• What LITE stands for, and why it is intentionally a “Lab”;
• How the Lab works with students from 6 out of the 10 faculties at Hong Kong University; 
• Topics and the experiential experiences that are covered in the Lab’s courses and why;
• How LITE Lab partners with tech start-ups, NGOs and in-house counsel to co-design research projects; 
• Examples of the innovative projects including workers compensation, low-income tenants, discrimination, womens’ rights, human trafficking and foreign workers;
• Cultural foundations of ‘pro bono’ and differences in approach across the world;
• Capacity and evolution of NGOs affecting their response to implement technology;
• Why Brian considers the LITE Lab a ‘marketplace’ of sorts;
• The criticism that undergrad courses and hackathons are not effective;
• The potential of low code/no code, including the ability to maintain software in-house;
• Need for integration with existing corporate and NGO systems;
• Issues of funding and software sustainability of applications developed by NGOs;
• Impact investing, ESG requirements and social entrepreneurs’ potential for the future;
• Asia-Pacific Legal Innovation and Technology Association’s (“ALITA”) mission;
• Categories of ALITA awards (closing soon!); and
• Brian’s definition of legal innovation!

Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic 

Links:

• LITE Lab
• My employee is pregnant
• Neota Logic Solution Gallery
• Neota Logic
• Churchill Trust Project
• Survey

Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au

Twitter - @ReimaginingJ

Facebook – Reimagining Justice group