If you ask the average person how a bill gets passed, they'll probably say it's all about the public hearings. But really, it's more about what happens behind the scenes. And having the right leadership to move a bill is key. 

One of those leaders in Ohio is Shane Wilkin, Chair of the House Government Oversight Committee, who joins the podcast to discuss how he helped pass permitless carry, his campaign for the Ohio Senate, and what's next for gun rights in Ohio.