In this episode, I spoke with Aaliyah O. Ibrahim, a multidisciplinary artist and international development practitioner about the complexity of Nigerian identity, resilience as a practice of change and unity and freedom as practices of difference. Anchoring our conversation was Professor Bedour Alagraa’s concept of ‘The Interminable Catastrophe’. 

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01:19 Exploring the Interminable Catastrophe

09:57 The Otherways, the Otherwise

12:36 Making History and Self-Awareness

16:46 ‘I’m not a healer as much as I am sensitive and I want to be well.’

18:57 Interruption 

22:56 Land, Indigeneity, Language and other claims to Nigerianness 

34:49 Resilience and Change

38:51 ‘Our intellectual class is getting too comfortable with its nervousness.’

43:38 Afrobeats to whose pockets?

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Mentioned in the episode:

How can Nigeria make Afrobeats pay? (Eniola Olatunji, African Business)

'Afrobeats to the World' gets its biggest challenge (Joey Akpan, Afrobeats Intelligence)

“Are you sure, sweetheart, that you want to be well? … Just so’s you’re sure, sweetheart, and ready to be healed, cause wholeness is no trifling matter. A lot of weight when you're well.” - Toni Cade Bambara, The Salt Eaters

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“i don't pay attention to the

world ending.

it has ended for me

many times

and began again in the morning.” 

― Nayyirah Waheed, Salt

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