What does it really mean to be resilient—not when things are easy, but when life is actively falling apart? In this powerful episode of Pac Talk, Piet Vodden and Emylee Cavell get honest about the emotional, financial, and physical weight of building something meaningful from scratch. From personal struggles and $2 million in debt to opening four gym locations without big corporate backing, this is the behind-the-scenes story of grit, growth, and grit again.

Together, they break down the three pillars that keep them in the game:

1. Build your environment
2. Do hard things
3. Live out your purpose—with pleasure

This episode is not a highlight reel. It's a real-life playbook for staying strong when everything around you says give up. If you're building something, parenting through chaos, or simply trying to survive the day—this one’s for you.

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