In this episode, Jenny, Erin and our guest, Julie Mavros, explore the complexities of chronic pain, identity, and resilience. As we explore Julie's inner rebel, she shares her journey from becoming a young jockey in a "man's world" to navigating a life-changing injury young in her career. Our conversation emphasizes the importance of self-compassion, understanding one's body, and the impact of chronic pain on in relationship to self and others. Julie shares chronic pain can lead to feelings of being broken, but emphasizes "you are not your pain; you just experience it."