Most of us treat rest like a reward we have to earn, saving it for the moment we can barely function. By then it is rarely enough. In this conversation, two therapists get honest about why we wait too long to step away, why slowing down can feel so uncomfortable, and why the size of a break matters far less than the willingness to take it. From two-week vacations to five quiet minutes in the backyard, they make the case that rest, play, and presence are not luxuries but the things that keep us sustainable.

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