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In this solo episode, behaviour specialist and author Andy Baker unpacks one of the most overlooked parts of behaviour support: what happens after the incident. Whether you’re working in a school, supporting adults in care, or navigating tough moments at home, the post-incident debrief is often where the real growth happens – yet most settings rush it, avoid it, or unintentionally turn it into another punishment.
Andy breaks down why restorative conversations fail when done too soon, too harshly, or with the wrong focus, and offers a simple, practical framework for debriefing that protects dignity, reduces shame, builds connection and genuinely improves future behaviour. This episode is essential listening for caregivers, parents, teachers, support workers and anyone navigating distress or dysregulation in others.
Andy's Book – Targeting the Positive with Behaviours That Challenge
Able Target System – Trauma-informed, restorative, person-centred behaviour support framework embedded throughout Andy’s training and consultancy.
Debriefing is learning, not punishment.
Restorative practice only works when shame is removed.
Boundaries and humanity belong together.
00:00 – Why debriefing matters more than we think
00:24 – Where schools, care services and parents go wrong
01:14 – Learning from incidents: the fire analogy
02:23 – Why we avoid debriefs
03:33 – Punishment vs restorative learning
04:12 – Supporting the adults too
05:26 – The PERFORM Debrief Script
P – Prepare
E – Explore the story
R – Reflect on feelings and needs
F – Feedback on impact
O – Ownership through repair
R – Responsibility for next time
M – Map the future
08:53 – A real-life story: shouting match avoided
10:18 – Why shouting never teaches what we think it does
12:14 – The true purpose of restorative practice
13:34 – Behaviour is like the weather
This episode will help you if:
You want to repair relationships after meltdowns, crises or confrontations.
You support children or adults who experience overwhelm or dysregulation.
You feel stuck repeating the same incidents without seeing change.
You want a script, not just theory.
You’re trying to build a culture of safety, dignity and accountability.
If you’re a parent, teacher, care worker, foster carer, SENCO, TA, support worker or leader in education or care, this episode will give you grounded, real-world tools to use today.
Podcast Website: https://able-training.co.uk/podcast
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abletraining/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/abletrainingexperience
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/able-training-ltd-/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@abletocarepodcast
By Able Training Support LtdIn this solo episode, behaviour specialist and author Andy Baker unpacks one of the most overlooked parts of behaviour support: what happens after the incident. Whether you’re working in a school, supporting adults in care, or navigating tough moments at home, the post-incident debrief is often where the real growth happens – yet most settings rush it, avoid it, or unintentionally turn it into another punishment.
Andy breaks down why restorative conversations fail when done too soon, too harshly, or with the wrong focus, and offers a simple, practical framework for debriefing that protects dignity, reduces shame, builds connection and genuinely improves future behaviour. This episode is essential listening for caregivers, parents, teachers, support workers and anyone navigating distress or dysregulation in others.
Andy's Book – Targeting the Positive with Behaviours That Challenge
Able Target System – Trauma-informed, restorative, person-centred behaviour support framework embedded throughout Andy’s training and consultancy.
Debriefing is learning, not punishment.
Restorative practice only works when shame is removed.
Boundaries and humanity belong together.
00:00 – Why debriefing matters more than we think
00:24 – Where schools, care services and parents go wrong
01:14 – Learning from incidents: the fire analogy
02:23 – Why we avoid debriefs
03:33 – Punishment vs restorative learning
04:12 – Supporting the adults too
05:26 – The PERFORM Debrief Script
P – Prepare
E – Explore the story
R – Reflect on feelings and needs
F – Feedback on impact
O – Ownership through repair
R – Responsibility for next time
M – Map the future
08:53 – A real-life story: shouting match avoided
10:18 – Why shouting never teaches what we think it does
12:14 – The true purpose of restorative practice
13:34 – Behaviour is like the weather
This episode will help you if:
You want to repair relationships after meltdowns, crises or confrontations.
You support children or adults who experience overwhelm or dysregulation.
You feel stuck repeating the same incidents without seeing change.
You want a script, not just theory.
You’re trying to build a culture of safety, dignity and accountability.
If you’re a parent, teacher, care worker, foster carer, SENCO, TA, support worker or leader in education or care, this episode will give you grounded, real-world tools to use today.
Podcast Website: https://able-training.co.uk/podcast
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abletraining/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/abletrainingexperience
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/able-training-ltd-/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@abletocarepodcast