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In Part 2 of my interview with Clayton Kruger, we dive into his second book, The Reality of Safety, and explore what’s really happening in the Australian health and safety landscape.
Clayton shares why many safety systems fail in practice, the growing pressure on supervisors, and how the industry’s complexity is contributing to stalled—and sometimes declining—safety performance. More importantly, he offers practical solutions rooted in presence, trust, and genuine engagement with the people doing the work.
If you work in health & safety, this conversation is a powerful reminder that real safety isn’t built in boardrooms or binders—it’s built in the field.

🎧 Listen to Part 2 and rethink what “effective safety” truly looks like.