Sam Gibson-Massey, founder of Hope, joins Louise to unpack what proactive wellbeing really looks like once you strip away the gym passes and free pilates. Drawing on his own burnout and years in big tech talent, Sam makes the case for measurable ROI on wellbeing, why managers are the sandwich generation of work, and why the best company culture is the one that shows up on a bad day. A candid, practical listen for any people leader tired of reactive fixes.