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Revelation Part 4 - Chapters 8-11 w/ Special Guest Cindy Miller
On today's episode of Renew Your Mind we continue with special guest Cindy Miller and her bible study of the book of Revelation! On this episode today we are joined by Senior Pastor Paul Gruenberg, Associate Pastor Jeremy Touroo and moderator Dana Hall. Thanks for listening and we pray this podcast encourages you and helps grow your walk in the Lord! God bless!
Chapter 8-11 Notes:
Chapters 8-9 are the Trumpets. The 'locusts' may be military helicopters or drones. Most saints will be gone by this time, martyred in Seal #5 back in 6:9-11.
Ch. 10 may be a veiled reference to America. The 'angel' sounds like a description of our Statue of Liberty.
Ch. 11's 'two witnesses' are referred to as lampstands and trees in v4. These may be two individuals who lead groups. 'Lampstands' represent churches in ch 1-3 of Revelation. `Trees` represent nations throughout the OT. The individuals may be Enoch and Elijah (neither 'died' in the OT). Churches may be Messianic Jews and Christians. Nations may be Israel and the US. This is pure speculation. Also, I believe that the 144,000 'sealed' Jews from ch 7 are one of the witnesses who are 'killed' in 11:7 after finishing their testimony.
11:15 - Then the Rapture, the climax of all of scripture, happens in 11:15 when "the kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord!" All dead saints are resurrected and taken to heaven. It is no 'secret'! v12 says that 'their enemies beheld them'. God always allows evil to believe it has won first. This happened when Christ died on the cross before He rose from the dead 3 days later.
Podcast Addendum/ correction:
Jenkens/LaHaye are fiction writers of the 'Left Behind' series, not Biblical scholars. God wrote the Bible in Greek and Hebrew, not in English. There is 0 Biblical evidence of 'Pretrib'. It is based on misinterpretation of English scriptures, such as Rev. 4:1. The 'Restrainer' in 2 Thessalonians 2:6 is the 'man of sin' in v3 restraining Christians, not the Holy Spirit restraining sin in this world! He does not do that! The pronoun 'him' has been added to v6 in the English scripture. It does not exist in the original text! (See Acts 17)
Podcast Addendums/ corrections from the author Cindy Miller:
1. General Allenby rode white horse into Jerusalem at the end of WW1, not Willoughby. I have been reading 'Mr. Willoughby's Christmas Tree' story to my grandson. I did not realize how confused/senile I have gotten!
2. Lampstands represented churches in Rev. 1, not candelabras.
3. Jenkens/LaHaye are fiction writers of the 'Left Behind' series, not Biblical scholars. God wrote the Bible in Greek and Hebrew, not in English. There is 0 Biblical evidence of 'Pretrib'. It is based on misinterpretation of English scriptures, such as Rev. 4:1. The 'Restrainer' in 2 Thessalonians 2:6 is the 'man of sin' in v3 restraining Christians, not the Holy Spirit restraining sin in this world! He does not do that! The pronoun 'him' has been added to v6 in the English scripture. It does not exist in the original text! (See Acts 17)
The Apostle Paul wrote both Romans 1:18 (restrain the truth in unrighteousness) and 2 Thessalonians 2:6 (restrainer). He uses the same word for 'restrain' in both passages. He meant the same thing! Not opposites! (Please see attached article.)
All of the Biblical fathers, Josephus, Wycliff, etc., understood 2 Thessalonians 2:6 to be referring to the 'man of sin' in v3. Wycliff said in his commentaries that the 'Restrainer' was the Pope restraining true Christians!
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By Gaylord Methodist ChurchOn today's episode of Renew Your Mind we continue with special guest Cindy Miller and her bible study of the book of Revelation! On this episode today we are joined by Senior Pastor Paul Gruenberg, Associate Pastor Jeremy Touroo and moderator Dana Hall. Thanks for listening and we pray this podcast encourages you and helps grow your walk in the Lord! God bless!
Chapter 8-11 Notes:
Chapters 8-9 are the Trumpets. The 'locusts' may be military helicopters or drones. Most saints will be gone by this time, martyred in Seal #5 back in 6:9-11.
Ch. 10 may be a veiled reference to America. The 'angel' sounds like a description of our Statue of Liberty.
Ch. 11's 'two witnesses' are referred to as lampstands and trees in v4. These may be two individuals who lead groups. 'Lampstands' represent churches in ch 1-3 of Revelation. `Trees` represent nations throughout the OT. The individuals may be Enoch and Elijah (neither 'died' in the OT). Churches may be Messianic Jews and Christians. Nations may be Israel and the US. This is pure speculation. Also, I believe that the 144,000 'sealed' Jews from ch 7 are one of the witnesses who are 'killed' in 11:7 after finishing their testimony.
11:15 - Then the Rapture, the climax of all of scripture, happens in 11:15 when "the kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord!" All dead saints are resurrected and taken to heaven. It is no 'secret'! v12 says that 'their enemies beheld them'. God always allows evil to believe it has won first. This happened when Christ died on the cross before He rose from the dead 3 days later.
Podcast Addendum/ correction:
Jenkens/LaHaye are fiction writers of the 'Left Behind' series, not Biblical scholars. God wrote the Bible in Greek and Hebrew, not in English. There is 0 Biblical evidence of 'Pretrib'. It is based on misinterpretation of English scriptures, such as Rev. 4:1. The 'Restrainer' in 2 Thessalonians 2:6 is the 'man of sin' in v3 restraining Christians, not the Holy Spirit restraining sin in this world! He does not do that! The pronoun 'him' has been added to v6 in the English scripture. It does not exist in the original text! (See Acts 17)
Podcast Addendums/ corrections from the author Cindy Miller:
1. General Allenby rode white horse into Jerusalem at the end of WW1, not Willoughby. I have been reading 'Mr. Willoughby's Christmas Tree' story to my grandson. I did not realize how confused/senile I have gotten!
2. Lampstands represented churches in Rev. 1, not candelabras.
3. Jenkens/LaHaye are fiction writers of the 'Left Behind' series, not Biblical scholars. God wrote the Bible in Greek and Hebrew, not in English. There is 0 Biblical evidence of 'Pretrib'. It is based on misinterpretation of English scriptures, such as Rev. 4:1. The 'Restrainer' in 2 Thessalonians 2:6 is the 'man of sin' in v3 restraining Christians, not the Holy Spirit restraining sin in this world! He does not do that! The pronoun 'him' has been added to v6 in the English scripture. It does not exist in the original text! (See Acts 17)
The Apostle Paul wrote both Romans 1:18 (restrain the truth in unrighteousness) and 2 Thessalonians 2:6 (restrainer). He uses the same word for 'restrain' in both passages. He meant the same thing! Not opposites! (Please see attached article.)
All of the Biblical fathers, Josephus, Wycliff, etc., understood 2 Thessalonians 2:6 to be referring to the 'man of sin' in v3. Wycliff said in his commentaries that the 'Restrainer' was the Pope restraining true Christians!