The Software Process and Measurement Cast Crew are off for an adventure. We will be back on December 8th with new content. In the interim, we share four gems from our back catalog of over 800 interviews, essays, and conversations. You can check out the entire catalog at . Today we return to  December 2021 to remember an interview with Mauricio Aguiar and Christine Green, We discussed their vision of the state and future of Software Measurement. Mauricio, Christine, and I are all Past Presidents of the International Function Point Users Group (the largest international software measurement association). The conversation is both provocative and enlightening.  The original version of this interview was published in SPaMCAST 680. Master Work Intake! Join one of two upcoming Mastering Work Intake Workshops to help you learn to address IT’s nastiest, dirtiest little secret…poor work intake. The next workshop is taking a compressed approach to help kickstart 2025!  Seats are available on: December 6th 9 AM EST   Noon EST More information and registration at  Simply put if you don’t control work intake IT CONTROLS YOU!   No workshops for you?  Buy a copy of Mastering Work Intake and begin to take control of the flow of work for your team and organization.  Order a copy of the book from JRoss Publishing -  or via Amazon -     Next SPaMCAST  SPaMCAST 837 through 840 will be reruns of some of my favorite shows from the early 2000’s. I am off on a vacation.  We will be back with new content with SPaMCAST 841.