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This episode is so so rich and fun! I literally met Pam Mutz for the first time AT this interview and she filled my day with so much goodness. Mrs Mutz has written her first book which is loaded with the special wisdom, comedy, insight and stories that can only come from a mom of TWELVE KIDS!!! If this episode blesses you, check out Pam's Book here:

https://www.amazon.com/Richer-Dozen-What-Gain-When/dp/B0F7X6XKZ3/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3964UDGZJNSZO&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.BNzNOvhjWaCoEk5tNPWc2A.p8UXTJVcLccILsPBHiEjyG-yCpNHyoHMdV-aS3M4Kok&dib_tag=se&keywords=Richer+by+the+dozen+Pam+Mutz&qid=1768689764&sprefix=richer+by+the+dozen+pam+mutz%2Caps%2C144&sr=8-1