In Richmond, the poverty rate has gone down pretty dramatically in the past few years. That’s hard to do, and it’s not getting any easier in this environment of federal cuts and chaos. So a lot of folks are looking at our city and asking, how are we doing it? Rich sits down with the head of the city’s Office of Community Wealth Building to find out.

Then, we visit with graduates from that office's guaranteed income pilot program. What does lasting change look like?

Guest: Caprichia Smith Spellman, director of the Office of Community Wealth Building.