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Rick Marini on the Day-One Speech That Turned Grindr Around

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Rick Marini, co-founder of Rails and former COO of Grindr, joins Between Two COOs to explain why he would rather be a great COO than a good CEO. He and host Michael Koenig cover the CFIUS-forced sale that put Grindr in play, the day-one culture reset that ended two and a half years later in a $2 billion New York Stock Exchange debut, the three-months-of-cash pivot that saved Tickle in the dot-com crash, and how he evaluates moats now that AI lets anyone stand up a company in a weekend.

  • Why he says he is a good CEO but a great COO, and the honest question behind it: where do you add the most value?
  • The vision gap: great CEOs see ten years out, he sees two, and the COO executes
  • Buying Grindr for roughly $600 million after CFIUS forced the Chinese owner to sell
  • The day-one speech: equity for everyone, transparency, and earning a burned-out team's trust
  • Fight or flight at Tickle: the PhD-validated IQ test that turned three months of cash into the fastest-growing site on the internet
  • Moats in the AI era: network effects plus a product people will pull out a credit card for

    • Rick Marini has founded and operated consumer technology companies for 26 years. He co-founded Tickle in 1999, founded and led BranchOut to 800 million profiles and $49 million raised, and served as COO of Grindr from its 2020 acquisition through its $2 billion NYSE debut. He has been an angel investor in 60 companies, 15 of them unicorns, started Protocol Ventures, the first crypto fund of funds, and is now co-founder of Rails, a crypto perpetuals exchange.

    Read more and explore related coverage at betweentwocoos.com/rick-marini-good-ceo-vs-great-coo. (update if slug changes)

    Chapters

    • 00:00 Good CEO, great COO
    • 00:31 Introducing Rick Marini
    • 02:00 Where do I add the most value?
    • 03:59 The realization and what got better
    • 08:11 The $600 million Grindr acquisition
    • 11:00 Day one: earning a broken team's trust
    • 12:49 The $2 billion IPO callback
    • 15:17 CFIUS, TikTok, and forced sales
    • 17:37 Tickle and three months of cash
    • 21:31 Fight or flight: the IQ test
    • 24:23 What repeats: team, TAM, differentiation
    • 26:51 Moats in the AI era
    • 29:47 Grizzled vets vs rookie founders
    • 31:49 Crypto, Rails, and perps
    • 34:29 Waymos, AI, and what's next

      • Mentioned in this episode

      • Grindr
      • Rails (confirm link before publish; press coverage cites Rails.xyz but the landing page is sparse)
      • Protocol Ventures
      • Waymo

        • Connect

        • Rick Marini on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rickmarini (confirm before publish)
        • Rick Marini on X: https://x.com/rmarini
        • Michael Koenig on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-koenig514
        • Building Helm: https://helmapp.ai

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