In this episode, art director and musician Jack Healy recounts his experiences balancing a career in advertising with his passion for music, reflecting on how societal attitudes towards creativity have evolved since the 90s. He emphasises the interconnectedness of his creative pursuits and the importance of staying open to new experiences and feedback. Sharing anecdotes from his diverse career, including encounters with prominent figures like Pavarotti and Daniel Lanois, he highlights the significance of embracing wonder and divergent thinking. He also discusses his transition to performing Tom Waits' music with the band Bone Machine, finding new life and inspiration in interpreting Waits' stories, and ultimately affirming the enduring power of creativity and individuality in an increasingly conformist world.

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