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For many, conducting an energy audit and installing energy efficient systems can be a financial challenge. Inclusive financing, like the Pay As You Save (PAYS) program, hopes to ease that challenge by allowing homeowners and tenants to pay a monthly charge along with their utility bill, instead of footing the bill up front or taking out a loan.

Learn how this process works, including the benefits of on-bill financing, available funding options, and how your state can get started in this episode of the Rise Up Podcast featuring James Owen, executive director of Renew Missouri.

Rise Up Podcast: https://www.riseupmidwest.org

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The MREA: https://www.midwestrenew.org

Email: [email protected]

00:00 James Owen Introduction and Bio

2:19 James’s career

4:22 Enabling legislation

7:26 Pay as you Save financing

14:11 HOMEs and HERA funding

17:14 Benefits of on-bill financing

18:37 Contractor networks and certification

20:36 Financing the donut hole

23:01 Rural electric co-ops and municipal utilities

27:37 PACE vs PAYS

32:02 Guidance for other states

36:54 Inflation Reduction Act

38:35 Solar in PAYS

41:35 Wrap up

ABOUT OUR GUEST: JAMES OWEN

Growing up on a farm in Missouri, James Owen has used his rural roots experience in becoming a dedicated champion for consumer protection and strategic resource management.

In 2017, he was named Executive Director of Renew Missouri. In this capacity, he's dedicated to advancing the organization's goal of positioning Missouri as a leading state in clean energy. His efforts involve policy advocacy, formulation, litigation, public education, as well as outreach initiatives like lobbying and social media.

James holds a BA from Drury University in Springfield and a law degree from the University of Kansas, a licensed attorney in both Kansas and Missouri, allowing him to oversee the legal responsibilities for Renew Missouri. He also serves as an expert witness before the Missouri Public Service Commission (PSC). Previously, James was appointed as Public Counsel by Governor Jay Nixon, advocating for the public before the PSC.

Renew Missouri has been leading the charge for a program called Pay As You Save (PAYS), a program designed to help utility customers finance energy efficiency improvements. PAYS stands out from other "on-bill financing" options because it's not a traditional loan. Instead, you agree to a monthly fee on your bill, and the utility covers the costs of energy-efficient upgrades. The key to PAYS is ensuring that the savings from these upgrades are higher than your monthly fee, so you end up saving without any upfront costs.

Becoming more energy efficient not only cuts costs but also helps preserve our planet. Whether it's transitioning to electric, conducting energy audits, or enhancing energy systems, committing to energy efficiency today promises future savings and fosters a healthier environment for everyone.

Discover ways to enhance energy efficiency, with a special focus on agricultural and rural enterprises, in this episode of the Rise Up Podcast. Hear from Jenny Brinker, project manager at GDS Associates, Inc., as she explores the available opportunities and resources for a greener tomorrow.

Rise Up Podcast: https://www.riseupmidwest.org

The Energy Fair: https://www.theenergyfair.org

The MREA: https://www.midwestrenew.org

Email: [email protected]

00:00 Background and History

3:45 Jobs in Energy Efficiency

7:27 GDS Associates

9:37 Importance of building energy efficiency

10:57 Decarbonization

13:12 Lowest cost energy efficiency improvements

16:38 Demand charges

20:13 Air source heat pumps

26:56 Building energy efficiently

28:54 Focus on Energy

30:47 Farms and energy efficiency

34:43 Planning and resources

37:20 Challenges facing energy efficiency

41:06 Energy awareness

44:56 Energy professionals and incentives

ABOUT OUR GUEST: JENNY BRINKER

Jenny Brinker is a Project Manager at GDS Associates, Inc. in Madison, Wisconsin and brings over 18 years of expertise in energy efficiency consulting. Focusing on serving farming communities and rural businesses, Brinker’s skills in Energy Management program implementation and technology have made her a key player in driving sustainable energy practices in the agricultural sector.

A Wisconsin native, Brinker holds a Master's degree in Energy, Environment, and Natural Resources Law from the University of Wisconsin-Madison and is a Certified Energy Manager recognized by the Association of Energy Engineers.

She has also demonstrated a passion for education. Her involvement in course creation for KEEP (Wisconsin’s K-12 Energy Education Program) has strengthened the school program across the state, and, even after returning to GDS, continues to serve as an adjunct professor for the Energy Management Technology program at Northeast Wisconsin Technical College. In 2019, Brinker was one of nine instructors nationwide selected by the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the Center for Renewable Energy Advanced Technological Education (CREATE) to study renewable energy storage in Germany and share that knowledge with college programs throughout the United States.

Nick Hylla, MREA Executive Director & Rise Up Podcast host, led Rise Up Live Events and a live panel during The Energy Fair! Participants had the opportunity to hear from the guests of Season 4 throughout the weekend, followed by a Q&A session on Sunday.

On Friday, June 23rd, in the Special Events Tent, attendees enjoyed insightful presentations:

Saturday, June 24th, in the Special Events Tent, featured more engaging talks:

Sunday, June 25th, marked the Midwest Energy Transition Panel on the Main Stage at 10:30 a.m. The panel featured the guests from Rise Up Season 4, creating an enlightening discussion on the topic.

Nick Hylla, MREA Executive Director & Rise Up Podcast host, led Rise Up Live Events and a live panel during The Energy Fair! Participants had the opportunity to hear from the guests of Season 4 throughout the weekend, followed by a Q&A session on Sunday.

On Friday, June 23rd, in the Special Events Tent, attendees enjoyed insightful presentations:

Saturday, June 24th, in the Special Events Tent, featured more engaging talks:

Sunday, June 25th, marked the Midwest Energy Transition Panel on the Main Stage at 10:30 a.m. The panel featured the guests from Rise Up Season 4, creating an enlightening discussion on the topic.

n a time when corporate spending is protected as free speech, each of us must wonder how our voices will be heard. Utility companies have deep pockets, and their lobbyists are a fixture at state capitol buildings. Big businesses have big energy budgets and their associations are adept at making their issues a priority. And both of these industry sectors work together to create advocacy groups to advance common interests. So, what about residential energy customers? What about small businesses? Our resources pale in comparison. How are our voices heard and how are our concerns addressed?  

Luckily, for most residential and small business ratepayers in the Midwest, we are represented by a state Citizens Utility Board (CUB). These non-profit groups work tirelessly to make sure that our needs are represented at public utility commission and legislative hearings. For decades they have taken a hardnosed approach at keeping electricity costs low while ensuring that expenses aren’t shifted to the electric bills of homes and small businesses. 

In the context of the energy transition, CUBs advocacy role is critically important if we want an energy system that best serves people. We discuss the energy transition and the benefits of increased citizen involvement with Tom Content, long-time journalist and Executive Director of the Citizens Utility Board of Wisconsin. 

0:20 – Big business energy spending vs residential ratepayers 

1:17 – The role of a Citizens Utility Board 

4:04 – The energy transition’s origins 

8:41 – Decisions surrounding utility rates of return 

11:13 – Importance of CUB and Energy Democracy 

13:35 – CUB funding and activity 

18:11 – Evolving energy issues and solar PV 

20:45 – Energy poverty issues 

28:20 – Impact of recent federal legislation 

33:34 - Coordination recommendations to leverage federal funds 

39:11 – “Magic wand” solutions 

43:21 – Building a movement 

" We need people from across the state to get involved. And because it's your energy future, ...it's all of our energy future. And if we don't get involved, it'll be built for us and it'll focus on the supply side like we've been talking about almost way too exclusively. We need the public to say to demand energy efficiency. "

- Tom Content, Executive Director, Citizens Utility Board of Wisconsin

ABOUT OUR GUEST: TOM CONTENT

Tom is the Executive Director of the Citizens Utility Board. He joined CUB in 2017 after working for more than 30 years as a journalist. He became interested in energy and what it costs households while sitting in the back seat, waiting for what seemed like forever, during the gas lines of the ‘70s. After graduating from Boston University’s College of Communication Tom worked at newspapers in Massachusetts and Pennsylvania before moving to Wisconsin. He reported on utilities and worked as business editor at the Green Bay-Press Gazette in the 1990s and then moved to Milwaukee, where he covered energy, utilities and sustainable business for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. His reporting on energy and climate change won the National Press Club’s Stokes Award for Energy Writing in 2007.  

The first and largest US financial maneuver in response to COVID-19 was an unprecedented bailout of Wall Street investors to head off an impending stock market crash.  Building upon the “Modern Monetary Theory” implemented to bail out the banking sector after the mortgage default crisis in 2008, the Federal Reserve committed up to $10 trillion in support for investors. As a result, the stock market became a graph of shareholder feelings while 30 million Americans had already filed jobless claims. 

Millions of Americans live in debt, survive paycheck to paycheck, and work in the service industry which was mothballed - leaving people at home with deep feelings of insecurity. By May 25th 2020, US Billionaires were $434 billion richer on invented money, and we were watching George Floyd die tragically on the North Minneapolis streets at the hands of a police officer.  

The alleged crime that led to his death?  Passing a counterfeit $20 bill.  

It’s tempting to say the rest is history, but it might be more accurate to say that it’s a continuation of history. North Minneapolis, like many cities in America, continues to suffer from policies established in the early 1900’s that restricted minority home ownership and access to financing.  Collectively known as redlining, the policies included racially restricted covenants on property deeds preventing African Americans and other groups from buying homes in much of the City. Over time, the policies evolved to become lending restrictions that blocked access to business loans and home mortgages.  

In the context of the energy transition, numerous studies show the elevated risk of low-income neighborhoods to pollution caused by the energy industry, that low-income households pay 3 times more of their household income for energy bills than higher income households, and that both of these factors are correlated with historically red-lined areas. In the wake of the financial bailout of investors, hard fought public policy wins over the last two years are set to allocate resources to programs and initiatives working to address the inequities.  

These include Minneapolis Green Zones, the City’s Green cost share program and Green Careers Exploration program, and the Minneapolis Climate Equity Action Plan. With the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act, significant federal funding is directed to clean energy investments and job training programs in low-income neighborhoods, and the state of Minnesota just passed sweeping legislation that advances environmental protections and clean energy investment in designated environmental justice communities. 

The prospect of city, state, and federal policies working together to make the next decade of local clean energy development benefit North Minneapolis and other areas of need in the city, is very real. And the people working in the neighborhood to make sure this happens are as real as it gets. We’ve had the privilege of working with a number of local groups to provide solar installation training in North Minneapolis over the last 3 years and are inspired by their accomplishments and the opportunities that they are creating.  To discuss the opportunities and challenges, we talked with Markeeta Keyes who leads the Green Careers Exploration program with the City of Minneapolis. 

The topic of workforce development is near and dear to our hearts at MREA. We started providing training in solar PV, solar thermal, small wind energy, and energy efficiency in 1990. We were one of the first accredited solar training programs in the country and still maintain accreditation with the Interstate Renewable Energy Council to this day. For over thirty years we’ve committed ourselves to offering the most accessible, affordable, and market relevant solar training and today more than 600 individuals a year utilize our training to get a foothold in the industry, earn certifications, and sharpen their skills.  

In 2011, when we started our first instructor training program, the market was much different than today. Solar employment demand was pretty much only real in California and Hawaii with other states just starting to shine. The national electrician shortage was forecast but seemed a distant and avoidable problem. Utility companies were opposed to solar projects, even large-scale facilities, indicated the technology would never be ready for prime time.  

One group that fully recognized the transformative potential of solar energy was the US Dept. of Energy which launched the SunShot Initiative with the goal of reducing the cost of solar energy by 75% and making it the cheapest source of electricity in the US. This goal, I should note, was met with much skepticism at the time. Today we know that the cost declines envisioned by SunShot were achieved earlier and more steeply than anyone expected. With the last 5 years of solar and wind as the leading sources of new energy capacity additions in the US, the promise of a solar jobs boom started to become reality.  And now, with a massive federal energy infrastructure investment that locks in a decade of tax policy certainty, the market is fundamentally changed from a decade ago and the doubts about employment needs have been erased. Today, we can confidently say that there have never been more employment opportunities for skilled workers, young and old.  

To explore the needs, opportunities, and challenges to meet the workforce needs of the energy transition, we talked with Richard Lawrence, Program Director with the Interstate Renewable Energy Council. 

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0:20 – MREA's history in solar workforce development 

3:53 – Federal legislation impacting the energy workforce 

7:11 - Scale of the workforce need 

8:06 – Inflation Reduction Act’s impact on workforce needs 

9:10 – Key provisions in the Inflation Reduction Act 

12:42 – In demand career positions for the energy transition 

16:00 – Inflation Reduction Act and labor provisions 

18:50 – How to join an apprenticeship program 

20:23 - Benefits of apprenticeships to employers 

23:36 - Federal investment impact on solar certifications 

26:00 – In demand occupations during the energy transition 

28:00 – Considerations for project developers 

30:30 – Occupations for meter connected solar 

33:00 – Programs to inspire 

35:07 – Inclusion in the energy workforce 

39:25 – A magic solution to workforce shortage 

42:22 – The value of NABCEP certification 

47:50 – The next generation of solar PV instructors 

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Since 2018, the United States has expanded its list of critical minerals from 35 to 50 as supply chains have become increasingly concentrated to fewer countries and the needs for minerals in industrial and consumer products have increased. Beginning in 2022, the Biden Administration began making serious federal policy moves to secure critical mineral supply chains by invoking the Defense Production Act and passing sweeping legislation to increase domestic production of minerals used to develop batteries for electric vehicles and other energy storage applications. The move signaled a recognition that without securing critical mineral supply chains, the US would not be able to compete in emerging energy technology markets and we would not be able to meet electrification and decarbonization goals.   

To many in the domestic mining industry, the move was a surprising turn of favor, and all indications are that the change in federal priority is not temporary. It is a result of geopolitical trends that are challenging global supply chains for critical minerals and domestic energy priorities that increase critical mineral demand. The context is that we are in a global race for the future of energy, making the capacity for critical mineral extraction, refining, and clean tech manufacturing in today’s economy equivalent to the historic development of petroleum extraction and refining capacity.  

To further explore the potential of domestic mining and refining of critical minerals and discuss the challenges, we talked to two experts working in the Midwest. We first talked with Dr. Snehamoy Chatterjee, associate professor of geological and mining engineering and sciences at Michigan Tech about the mining process, domestic needs, and mining innovations. And we talked with Dr. Al Gedicks, emeritus professor at UW- La Crosse about the historic and current challenges facing sulfide mining in the Midwest. 

Host: Nick Hylla, MREA Executive Director 

Guests: Dr. Snehamoy Chatterjee, Associate Professor, Geological & Mining Engineering & Sciences, Michigan Technological University, and Al Gedicks, Emeritus Professor of environmental sociology, UW – La Crosse 

Show notes –

0:20 – Critical Mineral needs for an energy transition 

4:28 – Domestic mineral requirements in recent federal legislation 

10:17 -Expanding existing mining operations 

11:50 – Minerals required to pursue electrification 

14:11 – China's dominance of mineral processing 

15:53 – Mining methods and processes 

20:48 – Mining vs mineral processing 

23:49 – Workforce and other needs of the mining industry 

29:00 – Feasibility of fully domestic mineral supply chains 

31:53 – Discovery vs. Exploration 

33:50 – Timeline from permitting to start of mining operation 

36:06 – Steps to approach mining successfully 

39:15 – Metallic sulfide mining and tribal communities 

43:20 – Material processing in metallic sulfide mining 

52:30 – Process to develop a mine in Wisconsin 

57:15 – Community concerns surrounding mining operations 

1:01:00 – Mining operations’ impact on communities 

1:06:12 - Boom and Bust nature of mining operations 

1:07:38 – Optimal locations to pursue mineral extraction and next steps 

1:16:12 - The psychology of inevitability 

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Eleven US states plus the District of Columbia have passed laws committing to 100% carbon-free or 100% clean energy. The path to 100% is full of choices that influence the cost to electricity ratepayers, ownership of critical infrastructure, and access to the financial and social benefits of energy infrastructure investment. A few detailed national studies have forecast scenarios to achieve 100% carbon-free electricity. These include net zero scenarios from Bloomberg New Energy Finance, the US Dept. Of Energy Solar Futures Study, and Vibrant Clean Energy’s Roadmap for the Lowest Cost Grid.  

The national studies are informative, but state policy and regulation have significant influence over how state energy markets develop. This places responsibility on state leadership to define the most advantageous pathways and advance policies and programs to achieve them. In both Illinois and Minnesota, the recent legislation that established 100% clean energy goals was passed when the Democratic party held majorities in the legislatures and governors' offices.  And the legislation passed on party-line votes. This is a clear indication that in Midwest states that have divided government, these types of commitments face political opposition. 

One such state is Wisconsin, where Republicans hold sizable majorities in the assembly and senate while the state has a Democratic Governor with ambitious clean energy plans. In support of these plans, two state policy groups – Clean Wisconsin and Renew Wisconsin – partnered with GridLab and Evolved Energy Research to forecast scenarios for achieving 100% clean energy in Wisconsin by 2050. Using the scenarios, they produced a roadmap that demonstrates how Wisconsin can cost-effectively transition to net zero emissions. We discussed the study and its recommendations with Chelsea Chandler, program director at Clean Wisconsin. 

Host: Nick Hylla, MREA Executive Director 

Guest: Chelsea Chandler, Climate, Energy, and Air Program Director, Clean Wisconsin 

-Live Event at The Energy Fair: Catch Chelsea at her Rise Up Live Event at The 2023 Energy Fair on Friday, June 23rd at 2 p.m. Get your tickets at theenergyfair.org/tickets. 

-Show notes – timestamps we want to include from the episode from worthwhile subjects 

0:20 – Nick overviews state commitments to clean energy in the Midwest 

3:48 – How divided government impacts clean energy 

6:28 - Overview of Clean Wisconsin’s work 

7:40 – Wisconsin's pathways to 100% clean energy study 

13:47 – Coal plant closures and decarbonization 

17:10 – Electrification and Transmission 

20:32 – Local resistance and land use size calculations 

28:53 – Additional benefits of solar over corn ethanol 

30:03 - Solar’s benefit to local governments 

34:12 - Challenges and opportunities within different transition scenarios 

36:25 – Additional costs of inaction on electrification 

41:57 – DERs in the energy transition 

43:33 – Next steps for Wisconsin’s path to 100% 

50:39 – Basing energy discussion around real-world pros and cons 

Episode Resources: riseupmidwest.org

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Today, nuclear energy remains the largest low carbon source of electricity in the world. Yet looking closer at the trend reveals that it is a rapidly decreasing share of the global portfolio as plants are retired and wind and solar consistently lead new energy capacity additions. The US fleet is the largest of any nation, with 94 reactors in 28 states but is gradually shrinking as aging reactors are retired due to maintenance costs and competition from cheaper sources of power like natural gas, wind, and solar. 

Over the past 5 years, the financial pressure on nuclear plants has elevated a critical public policy question: Should we take action to keep nuclear plants open? We saw this play out differently in two Midwest states with transformative legislation (both good and bad) and a massive bribery scandal ensnaring utility executives, lobbyists, and elected officials in Ohio and Illinois. 

With a new reactor design, known as a small modular reactor (SMR), a production tax credit available for nuclear projects through the Inflation Reduction Act, and financing support available from the US Dept. Of Energy Loan Program Office, public utility commissions are or will be reviewing proposals for the construction of the next generation of nuclear reactors. The promoters of new nuclear reactors will point to increases in CO2 emissions in New York, New England, and Pennsylvania after nuclear facilities closed in each region. They point to countries like Germany whose reliance on natural gas and coal run counterproductive to their climate and geopolitical goals. And, they say that the US needs the baseload power that nuclear offers for continued grid stability. Arguments against nuclear include safety concerns, global nuclear proliferation, more socially advantageous options in distributed solar and wind, and eyebrow-raising costs and delays in recent projects. 

With this in mind, we talk with two experts in nuclear technology and economics in the US. We discuss the role that US nuclear could play in a low-carbon electricity future, the current proposal being entertained, and the challenges facing the industry. We start with Paul Wilson, Grainger Professor of Nuclear Engineering and the Chair of the University of Wisconsin-Madison‘s Department of Engineering Physics. Then we discuss the economics of small modular reactors with David Schlissel, Director of Resource Planning Analysis at the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis. 

Host: Nick Hylla, MREA Executive Director 

Guests: Dr. Paul Wilson, Chair, Department of Engineering Physics, UW - Madison 

David Schlissel, Director of Resource Planning Analysis, Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis 

Episode resources: RiseUpMidwest.org

Live Event at The Energy Fair: https://www.theenergyfair.org/events/rise-up-live-events/

Show notes

0:20 – Nick overviews the current status of the aging nuclear fleet in the US 

2:38 – Corruption issues surrounding nuclear legislation 

5:27 – The financial costs of nuclear power 

8:02 – Advancements in nuclear energy 

9:30 – Small modular reactors 

11:49 – Challenges facing the nuclear industry 

16:21 – Opportunities for nuclear energy in the energy transition 

20:18 – The process to build new nuclear capacity in Wisconsin 

25:24  - License extensions for existing nuclear plants 

29:53 – Management of used nuclear fuel 

32:34 – Public engagement for the nuclear industry 

39:23 – Energy storage in the Energy Transition 

42:40 – France’s reputation with nuclear energy 

49:23 – Nuclear fusion breakthroughs 

57:05 – Nuclear cost overruns in Georgia 

58:32 – Current vs SMR reactors 

1:03:28 – Factors contributing to cost overruns 

1:09:40 – Cost competitiveness 

1:12:23 – Variability of solar and wind power 

1:16:59 – Marketing of SMRs