If you’re not losing your mind a little, you’re probably not paying attention. This week on Sane(ish), Jo sits down with John Fugelsang to roast hypocrisy, unpack the ridiculousness and share some much-needed truths about faith, rage, and grit.

Jo’s been writing about everything from South Park mercilessly dunking on Kristi Noem to why sometimes you just have to escape to the beach to keep your head above water in this crazy political circus. John’s new book, Separation of Church and Hate, drops soon—and it’s a no-holds-barred takedown of the toxic mix of religion and hate fueling so much of what’s wrong right now. John shares powerful insights from his upcoming book, Separation of Church and Hate, a no-holds-barred takedown of the dangerous mix of religion and hate that’s poisoning America’s soul. Together, they call out fake piety, hypocrisy, and the cynical hijacking of faith to justify cruelty and division, while reminding us what faith could and should be—a force for justice and mercy.

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